Chris Beard

[therickbol]

This idea that the offensive system is the issue is like a doctor treating a patient without pay attention to the symptoms. The action that UT runs is not the reason for scoring droughts. Other coaches will tell you that defending the player and ball movement and multiple screen action reads is extremely difficult. The players (which the criticism is more on specifically who is recruited) have to be more skilled, aggressive, higher IQ players for UT to score more points. There is no doubt CRB prioritizes certain qualities when he recruits. If the player ALSO is a great shooter or offensive player then that is great. But CRB has not really really shown a willingness to disregard his core recruiting profile and take someone just because they are a great offensive player. Will he change that at some point? I doubt it. So I guess it's really about closing the deal with the players that fit the profile he is looking for AND are great shooters/offensive players. The "system" is not the smoking gun of incompetence that everyone wants to make it out to be. Playing more PNR or ISO systems would not make this current roster negligibly better on offense.

 

[NighthawkVol]

This idea that the offensive system is the issue is like a doctor treating a patient without pay attention to the symptoms. The action that UT runs is not the reason for scoring droughts. Other coaches will tell you that defending the player and ball movement and multiple screen action reads is extremely difficult. The players (which the criticism is more on specifically who is recruited) have to be more skilled, aggressive, higher IQ players for UT to score more points. There is no doubt CRB prioritizes certain qualities when he recruits. If the player ALSO is a great shooter or offensive player then that is great. But CRB has not really really shown a willingness to disregard his core recruiting profile and take someone just because they are a great offensive player. Will he change that at some point? I doubt it. So I guess it's really about closing the deal with the players that fit the profile he is looking for AND are great shooters/offensive players. The "system" is not the smoking gun of incompetence that everyone wants to make it out to be. Playing more PNR or ISO systems would not make this current roster negligibly better on offense.

This is an great post. Well said. I agree that it's probably not the system. But also, it's not like guys like Phillips, Vescovi, and James were seen as offensively-lacking as recruits (at least in terms of upside). It might be that hiring an offensive-minded assistant is less about hiring a guy to tweak the system than to develop the skills/mindset on that end in certain players.

Look at Mashack and how different he is when he's going downhill. ORN and Plav both seem to have great nights when they're aggressive and off nights when they're passive. Of course, the player who has the most individual impact on this team is ZZ. When he's off, the whole offense seems off (granted, sometimes, that's a result of foul trouble, which often happens because he commits silly fouls).

It's just amazing that this team is SO hot or cold as a whole, not in terms of individuals. Last night was a great example...everyone was hitting. And when we're cold, no one is hitting. You rarely see, for example, James, Phillips, and ORN hot at the same time Vescovi, Mashack, and Zeigler are cold. It's everyone or no one. That seems psychological. And it's been that way for a few years now.

 

[RockyTopTexas]

Beard will be a head coach again in 2 months after the season ends. A desperate P5 school tired of losing will overlook his flaws and hire him. He’ll get a 2nd chance faster than he should, but that’s just how sports work. If you’re good at your job, if basically doesn’t matter what you do in your personal life, someone wanting to make money and win games will hire you.

Will Wade will be back again soon, too. Ole Miss seems to be looking at both of them as options.

Exactly.. beard will be hired shortly after the tourney. I’ll take him over Barnes in a heartbeat. He should have won a natty at tech.
The story is a wash.. on a domestic violence call someone MUST be arrested.. it’s the rule

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Exactly.. beard will be hired shortly after the tourney. I’ll take him over Barnes in a heartbeat. He should have won a natty at tech.
The story is a wash.. on a domestic violence call someone MUST be arrested.. it’s the rule

Awesome. Another person I can ignore.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Beard will be a head coach again in 2 months after the season ends. A desperate P5 school tired of losing will overlook his flaws and hire him. He’ll get a 2nd chance faster than he should, but that’s just how sports work. If you’re good at your job, if basically doesn’t matter what you do in your personal life, someone wanting to make money and win games will hire you.

Will Wade will be back again soon, too. Ole Miss seems to be looking at both of them as options.

I think Ole Miss made the move to fire Kermit Davis when they did, so they can be one of the first to offer Beard.

 

[RockyTopTexas]

Awesome. Another person I can ignore.

Another fan

 

[JMSqb11]

I think Ole Miss made the move to fire Kermit Davis when they did, so they can be one of the first to offer Beard.

And if Ole Miss realistically has a shot at getting Beard, they make that move 10/10 times..... Oats makes Beard look like a Saint right now.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

And if Ole Miss realistically has a shot at getting Beard, they make that move 10/10 times..... Oats makes Beard look like a Saint right now.

Woof, not sure I can agree with that take in the least bit.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

Oats and Beard are both human garbage

 

[JMSqb11]

Woof, not sure I can agree with that take in the least bit.

Beard’s case is truly he said she said mixed with both parties being psycho’s….

Oats is defending and playing a guy because he’s great player even though that great player could have prevent a mom from dying had he not delivered the murder weapon. Not sure how you can crucify Beard but think Oats isn’t scummier.

I just wish a reporter had to balls to ask Oats, “If Miller doesn’t meet up with Miles, subsequently delivering the murder weapon, does that kid still have his mom alive?”……

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Beard’s case is truly he said she said mixed with both parties being psycho’s….

Oats is defending and playing a guy because he’s great player even though that great player could have prevent a mom from dying had he not delivered the murder weapon. Not sure how you can crucify Beard but think Oats isn’t scummier.

I just wish a reporter had to balls to ask Oats, “If Miller doesn’t meet up with Miles, subsequently delivering the murder weapon, does that kid still have his mom alive?”……

There’s also a lot of assumptions of guilt in the Miller/Oats case on your part while avoiding the facts in the Beard/Texas case. Beard admitted to getting physical with her, and she stated what happened as fact, not he said she said. The case isn’t being pursued because she no longer is going to cooperate and asked for charges to be dropped, not hard to figure that one out. As for your hypothetical question about Miller and the mother, are you also blaming the store that sold Miles the gun for this murder? The statement from his lawyer, and what police seemingly have stated has been verified or at least believable is that Miller didn’t know the gun was there and didn’t know what scene he was pulling up to, he was going back to pick up his friends as planned.

 

[cncchris33]

There’s also a lot of assumptions of guilt in the Miller/Oats case on your part while avoiding the facts in the Beard/Texas case. Beard admitted to getting physical with her, and she stated what happened as fact, not he said she said. The case isn’t being pursued because she no longer is going to cooperate and asked for charges to be dropped, not hard to figure that one out. As for your hypothetical question about Miller and the mother, are you also blaming the store that sold Miles the gun for this murder? The statement from his lawyer, and what police seemingly have stated has been verified or at least believable is that Miller didn’t know the gun was there and didn’t know what scene he was pulling up to, he was going back to pick up his friends as planned.

Didn't the detective testify that Miles texted and asked Miller to bring him his gun and tell him that it was in the backseat of his (Miller's) car and that it was loaded?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Didn't the detective testify that Miles texted and asked Miller to bring him his gun and tell him that it was in the backseat of his (Miller's) car and that it was loaded?

It was never stated Miller acknowledged said text, his lawyer stated that Miller was already on his way to pick up Miles when he was texted and that he didn’t check his phone until after arriving, therefore not knowing he was going to an altercation and that a gun was needed. Now whether you believe that or not can be discussed, but police seem to buy that theory otherwise charges would’ve been filed as by law that would’ve classified as intent.

 

[JMSqb11]

There’s also a lot of assumptions of guilt in the Miller/Oats case on your part while avoiding the facts in the Beard/Texas case. Beard admitted to getting physical with her, and she stated what happened as fact, not he said she said. The case isn’t being pursued because she no longer is going to cooperate and asked for charges to be dropped, not hard to figure that one out. As for your hypothetical question about Miller and the mother, are you also blaming the store that sold Miles the gun for this murder? The statement from his lawyer, and what police seemingly have stated has been verified or at least believable is that Miller didn’t know the gun was there and didn’t know what scene he was pulling up to, he was going back to pick up his friends as planned.

There is no assuming with the Oats/Miller case..... Texts so far showed that Miller wasn't oblivious to there being an altercation / issue going on. Simply put, had he not met up with Miles, the murder weapon doesn't get used... Am I saying that Miles wouldn't have committed murder anyway in some form or fashion? No.... But simply put, if Miller ignores Miles or says no to meeting up with him, that gun isn't used in a murder that night and a kid still has his mom the next morning....

Beard's case is literally him and his lady having a fight. How far it went is still unknown outside of drunken recanted testimony on both parties.... Because no one knows exactly what went down besides Beard and his fiance, all that is left is to assume....

And recent history has shown that believing one side of an issue with zero hesitancy hasn't faired well.... At the end of the day, I don't give 2 rips about Beard because he will never be our coach... But to circle back to the earlier point, Oats has taken any heat off Beard in the media.... If you are a school like Ole Miss or a lower tier P5 school with an opening and Beard is interested, you make that hire a million times over. There is no heat that will be too much for Ole Miss to not hire him....

At end of the day, it appears Beard's wife/fiance has forgiven him and that is all that matters. Literally no one else's opinion / input matters in this case except the people directly involved.

Oats basically excusing a murder because his chance at winning is greater by doing so is drastically worse than a couple getting into a spat that winds up he said she said and they do nothing but stay together. In my humble opinion, one case took away someone's free choice and will and the other exemplifies it.

Good day and GBO

 

[NighthawkVol]

It was never stated Miller acknowledged said text, his lawyer stated that Miller was already on his way to pick up Miles when he was texted and that he didn’t check his phone until after arriving, therefore not knowing he was going to an altercation and that a gun was needed. Now whether you believe that or not can be discussed, but police seem to buy that theory otherwise charges would’ve been filed as by law that would’ve classified as intent.

Exactly. I think many have ignored the statement from Miller’s attorney (or didn’t know it was out there). Bottom line, the burden of proof lies with the state. If Miller says he was on his way to pick up his friend, didn’t see the text, and didn’t know Miles had left a gun in his car, the state has to believe they can prove otherwise before pressing charges. They can’t just assume he’s lying. Doesn’t matter if we believe him or not.

This is a notion that runs contrary to human nature, but sometimes, it’s okay to acknowledge, “I don’t know the details of what happened,” and simply hold off on forming an opinion.

 

[NighthawkVol]

There is no assuming with the Oats/Miller case..... Texts so far showed that Miller wasn't oblivious to there being an altercation / issue going on. Simply put, had he not met up with Miles, the murder weapon doesn't get used... Am I saying that Miles wouldn't have committed murder anyway in some form or fashion? No.... But simply put, if Miller ignores Miles or says no to meeting up with him, that gun isn't used in a murder that night and a kid still has his mom the next morning....

Beard's case is literally him and his lady having a fight. How far it went is still unknown outside of drunken recanted testimony on both parties.... Because no one knows exactly what went down besides Beard and his fiance, all that is left is to assume....

And recent history has shown that believing one side of an issue with zero hesitancy hasn't faired well.... At the end of the day, I don't give 2 rips about Beard because he will never be our coach... But to circle back to the earlier point, Oats has taken any heat off Beard in the media.... If you are a school like Ole Miss or a lower tier P5 school with an opening and Beard is interested, you make that hire a million times over. There is no heat that will be too much for Ole Miss to not hire him....

At end of the day, it appears Beard's wife/fiance has forgiven him and that is all that matters. Literally no one else's opinion / input matters in this case except the people directly involved.

Oats basically excusing a murder because his chance at winning is greater by doing so is drastically worse than a couple getting into a spat that winds up he said she said and they do nothing but stay together. In my humble opinion, one case took away someone's free choice and will and the other exemplifies it.

Good day and GBO

Texts do not show that Miller knew of the situation. That would require acknowledgment of the texts. He never acknowledged. So the rest of what you say is entirely speculative.

 

[cncchris33]

Exactly. I think many have ignored the statement from Miller’s attorney (or didn’t know it was out there). Bottom line, the burden of proof lies with the state. If Miller says he was on his way to pick up his friend, didn’t see the text, and didn’t know Miles had left a gun in his car, the state has to believe they can prove otherwise before pressing charges. They can’t just assume he’s lying. Doesn’t matter if we believe him or not.

This is a notion that runs contrary to human nature, but sometimes, it’s okay to acknowledge, “I don’t know the details of what happened,” and simply hold off on forming an opinion.

I was unaware that Miller had copped to the “not seeing the text” defense.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

There is no assuming with the Oats/Miller case..... Texts so far showed that Miller wasn't oblivious to there being an altercation / issue going on. Simply put, had he not met up with Miles, the murder weapon doesn't get used... Am I saying that Miles wouldn't have committed murder anyway in some form or fashion? No.... But simply put, if Miller ignores Miles or says no to meeting up with him, that gun isn't used in a murder that night and a kid still has his mom the next morning....

False, there’s no evidence that says Miller was aware and in fact his lawyer stated he wasn’t aware and that the text message wasn’t read until later on, Miller was already on his way to pick up Miles.

Beard's case is literally him and his lady having a fight. How far it went is still unknown outside of drunken recanted testimony on both parties.... Because no one knows exactly what went down besides Beard and his fiance, all that is left is to assume....

and the witness which you continue to ignore who corroborated the fiancés statement at the scene about the abuse. So withness and fiancé say there was physical assault from Beard and cops have picture proof of said violence, and Beard admits to it as well, but yet you ignore that…ok.

At end of the day, it appears Beard's wife/fiance has forgiven him and that is all that matters. Literally no one else's opinion / input matters in this case except the people directly involved.

So beating a woman is fine if she forgives you, you really just said that? What about rape, that fine if the person forgives you too?

Oats basically excusing a murder because his chance at winning is greater by doing so is drastically worse than a couple getting into a spat that winds up he said she said and they do nothing but stay together. In my humble opinion, one case took away someone's free choice and will and the other exemplifies it.

Again, the fact you want to say Oats is excusing murder while saying Beard was involved in a he said she said is so ignorant it’s almost hard to comprehend. There’s a reason Beard was arrested and neither Oats or Miller were, but again you want to ignore the known facts.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Exactly. I think many have ignored the statement from Miller’s attorney (or didn’t know it was out there). Bottom line, the burden of proof lies with the state. If Miller says he was on his way to pick up his friend, didn’t see the text, and didn’t know Miles had left a gun in his car, the state has to believe they can prove otherwise before pressing charges. They can’t just assume he’s lying. Doesn’t matter if we believe him or not.

This is a notion that runs contrary to human nature, but sometimes, it’s okay to acknowledge, “I don’t know the details of what happened,” and simply hold off on forming an opinion.

Bingo, so many folks are running with the opinion they want to form based off what they’ve seen. I’m not advocating for Miller, but in this instance Miller at least has not been charged and has plausible deniability that apparently the cops at least believe enough to not charge him with, Beard isn’t even close to having that same luxury.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I was unaware that Miller had copped to the “not seeing the text” defense.

Yes, I stated this in my reply to you. According to his attorney Miller was already planning to pick up Miles at that location around that time and was on his way there when Miles sent the text, he claims to have not known about there being a gun in the car and to this point nobody has proof to refute those claims.

 

[JMSqb11]

Texts do not show that Miller knew of the situation. That would require acknowledgment of the texts. He never acknowledged. So the rest of what you say is entirely speculative.

Wrong.

 

[cncchris33]

Yes, I stated this in my reply to you. According to his attorney Miller was already planning to pick up Miles at that location around that time and was on his way there when Miles sent the text, he claims to have not known about there being a gun in the car and to this point nobody has proof to refute those claims.

I know. I meant at the time that I posed the question to you, I wasn’t aware that he was pleading ignorance to the text message. I think it’s a BS defense, but again, burden of proof is on the state.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Wrong.

Link?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I know. I meant at the time that I posed the question to you, I wasn’t aware that he was pleading ignorance to the text message. I think it’s a BS defense, but again, burden of proof is on the state.

This doesn’t seem to be a hard one to disprove if that’s what they wanted to do, which makes me actual think there’s some likelihood it’s true. With technology now they can easily see location and when a text is read, that statement can be disproved in a days work and you’d have lied from Miller and charges incoming.

 

[JMSqb11]

False, there’s no evidence that says Miller was aware and in fact his lawyer stated he wasn’t aware and that the text message wasn’t read until later on, Miller was already on his way to pick up Miles.

and the witness which you continue to ignore who corroborated the fiancés statement at the scene about the abuse. So withness and fiancé say there was physical assault from Beard and cops have picture proof of said violence, and Beard admits to it as well, but yet you ignore that…ok.

So beating a woman is fine if she forgives you, you really just said that? What about rape, that fine if the person forgives you too?


Again, the fact you want to say Oats is excusing murder while saying Beard was involved in a he said she said is so ignorant it’s almost hard to comprehend. There’s a reason Beard was arrested and neither Oats or Miller were, but again you want to ignore the known facts.

The mental gymnastics you are pulling is quite admirable.

In short lets go over it.... In regards to Beard's case.... Yes, no one in the whole wide world can have an opinion that actually matters, including mine, that isn't an opinion from the people directly involved aka Beard, his fiance, and their families.....

If Beard's fiance forgives him, who is to judge her? Why are you making your opinions or emotions on Beard more important than the people directly involved? Do I support beating females? No. But i'm also not going to lose sleep over the convo of Beard getting another job because of fake internet outrage from a group of people who have zero involvement in any issue/fight.... People on the internet are more mad that Beard's fiance has seemingly forgiven him and is staying with him than they are that she didn't leave..... Why are your feelings / emotions more important than hers? There is this wide notion that people have to make their stances or opinions known of every single little thing that happens as a way to prove where they stand on an issue. In Beard's case with him and his fiance, I do NOT care one bit. It has zero impact on my day to day life. This whole convo is what his job prospects are.... In which my opinion is his standing is in a much better spot Post Oats/Miller incident than it was Pre Oats/Miller incident so he will obviously be a hot commodity in the job market. This isn't a controversial statement. I also find you equate a domestic dispute to rape, but stop short of comparing it to murder.... Do you not hate murder as much as you hate rape?

Simply put, why are you mad that his Fiance has apparently forgiven him?


And yes Oats is excusing murder..... Miller's texts that were FOIA'd showed he was linking up with Miles to deliver the gun.... The lawyers haven't even denied, their main argument is the "bring my gun" texts was after Miller was already there.... Do we really believe a college freshman is going to ignore texts messages from the very people they are hanging with? The one text message that if they confirm they saw would indict them as an accessory?

Simply put, that woman is still alive and the kid still has their mom if Miller doesn't deliver the murder weapon.... Even while already "en route", texts show the gun was mentioned about being dropped off.... At the end of the day, Oats values winning more than life.... That is drastically different from Beard's case. Both can be scumbags but one is worse than the other.