Chris Beard

[Stoerner Fumbles]

There is no assuming with the Oats/Miller case..... Texts so far showed that Miller wasn't oblivious to there being an altercation / issue going on. Simply put, had he not met up with Miles, the murder weapon doesn't get used... Am I saying that Miles wouldn't have committed murder anyway in some form or fashion? No.... But simply put, if Miller ignores Miles or says no to meeting up with him, that gun isn't used in a murder that night and a kid still has his mom the next morning....

Beard's case is literally him and his lady having a fight. How far it went is still unknown outside of drunken recanted testimony on both parties.... Because no one knows exactly what went down besides Beard and his fiance, all that is left is to assume....

And recent history has shown that believing one side of an issue with zero hesitancy hasn't faired well.... At the end of the day, I don't give 2 rips about Beard because he will never be our coach... But to circle back to the earlier point, Oats has taken any heat off Beard in the media.... If you are a school like Ole Miss or a lower tier P5 school with an opening and Beard is interested, you make that hire a million times over. There is no heat that will be too much for Ole Miss to not hire him....

At end of the day, it appears Beard's wife/fiance has forgiven him and that is all that matters. Literally no one else's opinion / input matters in this case except the people directly involved.

Oats basically excusing a murder because his chance at winning is greater by doing so is drastically worse than a couple getting into a spat that winds up he said she said and they do nothing but stay together. In my humble opinion, one case took away someone's free choice and will and the other exemplifies it.

Good day and GBO

“Literally no one else's opinion / input matters in this case except the people directly involved.”

This is the most misguided observation in your post. Every domestic violence study ever done points to the strong denial mechanism of the victim. Investigators are trained to rate victim accounts as some of the least credible evidence. When comparing bite marks vs her, as you characterized it, “opinion”, I’ll take the physical evidence. When a coach is at a minimum expected to guide young men how to respect and interact with women, I’m going to hire the one that I can’t identify through forensics.

 

[JMSqb11]

I know. I meant at the time that I posed the question to you, I wasn’t aware that he was pleading ignorance to the text message. I think it’s a BS defense, but again, burden of proof is on the state.

It is funny how the lawyers are defending the "bring my gun" texts by saying "that text came after Miller was already en route" and he was oblivious to it.... Yeah the one damning text message that confirming he saw / received is the one they are saying he magically didn't see

 

[JMSqb11]

“Literally no one else's opinion / input matters in this case except the people directly involved.”

This is the most misguided observation in your post. Every domestic violence study ever done points to the strong denial mechanism of the victim. Investigators are trained to rate victim accounts as some of the least credible evidence. When comparing bite marks vs her, as you characterized it, “opinion”, I’ll take the physical evidence. When we’re training young men how to respect and interact with women, I’m going to hire the coach that I can’t identify through forensics.

Please give me a 5 point, bulleted list of how Beard's domestic dispute with his fiance has personally impacted your life, day to day, and has caused you interruption.....

At the end of the day, no one's opinion on that night is worth anything unless your name is Chris Beard, Randi Trew, or their families......

And once again, Beard and Tennessee currently have nothing linked between them... We still have a damn good coach who hasn't signaled any signs he is going anywhere. So until there is an actual connection linking Beard and Tennessee, the virtue signaling on here is meaningless......

It is almost as if there are people more mad that Trew has apparently forgiven Beard than there are people who say "well these are two grown adults who are free to do what they like".....

Why are you mad at a decision two grown adults that you have zero connection with made choices you don't agree with yet those choices have zero impact on your life?

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

This doesn’t seem to be a hard one to disprove if that’s what they wanted to do, which makes me actual think there’s some likelihood it’s true. With technology now they can easily see location and when a text is read, that statement can be disproved in a days work and you’d have lied from Miller and charges incoming.

Unless he shared “read message” notifications with the shooter, it’s not information police can access easily. Apple (assuming it’s Apple) is pretty rigorous about protecting data not shared with others.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Please give me a 5 point, bulleted list of how Beard's domestic dispute with his fiance has personally impacted your life, day to day, and has caused you interruption.....

At the end of the day, no one's opinion on that night is worth anything unless your name is Chris Beard, Randi Trew, or their families......

And once again, Beard and Tennessee currently have nothing linked between them... We still have a damn good coach who hasn't signaled any signs he is going anywhere. So until there is an actual connection linking Beard and Tennessee, the virtue signaling on here is meaningless......

It is almost as if there are people more mad that Trew has apparently forgiven Beard than there are people who say "well these are two grown adults who are free to do what they like".....

Why are you mad at a decision two grown adults that you have zero connection with made choices you don't agree with yet those choices have zero impact on your life?

Neither the murder nor the domestic abuse impact my personal life daily. Chris Beard will has not tried to date my daughter. That said, it isn’t the topic. Men who hit women shouldn’t lead young men. Men who can’t admit it, and get help are absolutely disqualified.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Exactly.. beard will be hired shortly after the tourney. I’ll take him over Barnes in a heartbeat. He should have won a natty at tech.
The story is a wash.. on a domestic violence call someone MUST be arrested.. it’s the rule

There is no such “rule”.

 

[JMSqb11]

Neither the murder nor the domestic abuse impact my personal life daily. Chris Beard will has not tried to date my daughter. That said, it isn’t the topic. Men who hit women shouldn’t lead young men. Men who can’t admit it, and get help are absolutely disqualified.

Good thing Tennessee isn't in the market for a basketball coach then right? Are you also calling Ole Miss' AD to speak out on them looking at Beard? It would be a shame and hypocritical for you huff and puff all this energy online only to do zilch to places where action can be done????

Or are you just passing time feigning outrage online because the people directly involved in a situation made choices you disagree with after the fact?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Sorry @JMSqb11 but if you’re going to flat out lie and make up “facts” to try and support your stance I’m not going to waste my time with this conversation. Idc if Ole Miss hires Beard, I’m on record saying they should and I don’t blame them.

That doesn’t mean that what Beard has done is better though than Oats…we know Texas fired Beard because it’s a known fact (Beard admitted, fiancé stated, witness stated and evidence supported) that he choked her and bit her. She very well may have forgiven him ($$$), and that’s fine, but as far as how he stands in my eyes and if I’d want him coaching my school that’s a no.

As for Oats, there has been zero evidence or statements saying Miller knew what he was doing…cops have stated they can’t charge Miller with anything, if he knew what he was doing and they had proof of that they could charge him, you saying he knew what he was doing is speciation on your part. Could Miller have done things differently, sure, but at this point with what is known as FACT there’s just no way I can sit there with a straight face and say that what Oats has done is worse than Beard.

According to the FACTS, Beard assaulted a woman multiple times in a drunken fit which cops felt they should charge and arrest him for, Oats is playing a basketball player who claims he had no idea and no part of a murder, in which cops agree with that statement and said there are no charges that can be made.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Unless he shared “read message” notifications with the shooter, it’s not information police can access easily. Apple (assuming it’s Apple) is pretty rigorous about protecting data not shared with others.

Interesting, thought subpoena would pretty quickly get that info.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Please give me a 5 point, bulleted list of how Beard's domestic dispute with his fiance has personally impacted your life, day to day, and has caused you interruption.....

How has what Miller has done impacted your personal or day to day life? What a dumb take.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

As for Miller— Accessory to felony murder isn’t a minor infraction. In court, the burden of proof should be cleared to an agreed standard. In the case of playing in a university sanctioned event, there is plenty of evidence to suspend him. He transported a gun to a criminal who used it to kill someone. He should sit until he’s cleared by the investigation (different than not charged yet FYI).

 

[JMSqb11]

Sorry @JMSqb11 but if you’re going to flat out lie and make up “facts” to try and support your stance I’m not going to waste my time with this conversation. Idc if Ole Miss hires Beard, I’m on record saying they should and I don’t blame them.

That doesn’t mean that what Beard has done is better though than Oats…we know Texas fired Beard because it’s a known fact (Beard admitted, fiancé stated, witness stated and evidence supported) that he choked her and bit her. She very well may have forgiven him ($$$), and that’s fine, but as far as how he stands in my eyes and if I’d want him coaching my school that’s a no.

As for Oats, there has been zero evidence or statements saying Miller knew what he was doing…cops have stated they can’t charge Miller with anything, if he knew what he was doing and they had proof of that they could charge him, you saying he knew what he was doing is speciation on your part. Could Miller have done things differently, sure, but at this point with what is known as FACT there’s just no way I can sit there with a straight face and say that what Oats has done is worse than Beard.

According to the FACTS, Beard assaulted a woman multiple times in a drunken fit which cops felt they should charge and arrest him for, Oats is playing a basketball player who claims he had no idea and no part of a murder, in which cops agree with that statement and said there are no charges that can be made.

Are you saying the Trew recanted her allegations because she was paid off? Are you saying that she didn't choose on her own free will to do so? Are you saying that this woman isn't formidable on her own to separate because she is greedy?

Wow.... not very pro woman of you if you think we should only believe them when your stance aligns with theirs, but accuse them of being paid off or given hush money when your stance doesn't align with theirs.....

Yikes... "Believe Some Women" must be your slogan.

And at the end of the day, facts show Brandon Miller delivered the murder weapon to Darius Miles and the other teammate.... If Miller doesn't link up with them, the gun never gets exchanged, Miller's car doesn't get beat to sh!t, and that woman is still alive with her kid.... Yes Oats is excusing a murder in hopes of winning.... Why else did he bring Ray Lewis into the team to meet? lol

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Interesting, thought subpoena would pretty quickly get that info.

Not pretty quickly. In some instances, eventually.

https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/law-enforcement-guidelines-us.pdf

 

[JMSqb11]

How has what Miller has done impacted your personal or day to day life? What a dumb take.

Zilch... Nada.... Nothing.... I'm not the one feigning outrage... This whole thread is on Beard and his job prospects.... Oats got brought into it with his tone deaf PR management....

My whole stance has been that Beard's standing has improved Post Oats/Miller developments/statements than his standing was Pre Oats/Miller Statements....

In short, this whole media debacle with Oats and Miller has taken the spotlight of Beard in terms of the coaching market.... Some team will cash in on that. That's not controversial.

And at the end of the day, it is pretty simple to make the statement that "Harris would not have been murdered and alive with her son if Brandon Miller didn't meet up with Darius Miles".... No one can refute this... Simply put.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

As for Miller— Accessory to felony murder isn’t a minor infraction. In court, the burden of proof should be cleared to an agreed standard. In the case of playing in a university sanctioned event, there is plenty of evidence to suspend him. He transported a gun to a criminal who used it to kill someone. He should sit until he’s cleared by the investigation (different than not charged yet FYI).

And this take is fine, don’t disagree, and that’s where it could get dicey for Oats is what comes out, if anything. Oats and Alabama have been working with authorities and sure sure seem to think that nothing will come out, if that is the case then I get playing Miller, but if stuff does come out then it will get ugly quick.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Are you saying the Trew recanted her allegations because she was paid off? Are you saying that she didn't choose on her own free will to do so? Are you saying that this woman isn't formidable on her own to separate because she is greedy?

Wow.... not very pro woman of you if you think we should only believe them when your stance aligns with theirs, but accuse them of being paid off or given hush money when your stance doesn't align with theirs.....

Yikes... "Believe Some Women" must be your slogan.

And at the end of the day, facts show Brandon Miller delivered the murder weapon to Darius Miles and the other teammate.... If Miller doesn't link up with them, the gun never gets exchanged, Miller's car doesn't get beat to sh!t, and that woman is still alive with her kid.... Yes Oats is excusing a murder in hopes of winning.... Why else did he bring Ray Lewis into the team to meet? lol

Lmao ok

 

[bleedingTNorange]

If Calipari left UK they wouldn’t look in Beard’s direction, but they’d Oats in an instance imo.

 

[JMSqb11]

If Calipari left UK they wouldn’t look in Beard’s direction, but they’d Oats in an instance imo.

Sadly, I think Cal is on the verge to likely make deep tourney run to shut up the naysayers in that fan base and keep the coal mines happy.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Sadly, I think Cal is on the verge to likely make deep tourney run to shut up the naysayers in that fan base and keep the coal mines happy.

Probably, was just using that as an example though as to how I think Oats is still likely viewed as more hirable/highly regarded than Beard.

 

[cncchris33]

Probably, was just using that as an example though as to how I think Oats is still likely viewed as more hirable/highly regarded than Beard.

The biggest difference in Oats and Beard, and how they're viewed as "hirable" candidates, is one was directly involved in an act of violence, and the other is trying to navigate the waters of another person linked to an act of violence.

Oats's poor choice of words surrounding the murder have made him seem self-serving and callous, but at the end of the day, he's personally done nothing wrong whereas there is evidence proving Beard was directly involved in a domestic dispute resulting in physical harm to a woman.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

The biggest difference in Oats and Beard, and how they're viewed as "hirable" candidates, is one was directly involved in an act of violence, and the other is trying to navigate the waters of another person linked to an act of violence.

Oats's poor choice of words surrounding the murder have made him seem self-serving and callous, but at the end of the day, he's personally done nothing wrong whereas there is evidence proving Beard was directly involved in a domestic dispute resulting in physical harm to a woman.

Yup, what I’ve been saying this whole time.

 

[GenRRN]

Yes there is dummy.. I went to school for CJ
in a domestic violence call.. someone must be arrested. You sir don’t know the rules of the country you live it… you will be the first sheep slaughtered

You might want to ask for your money back. In TN, and only when the officer has probable cause to believe that a person has committed a crime involving domestic abuse, is it the preferred response. Not the required response, but preferred. And again, only if there is probable cause. So no, there is no requirement in TN that someone MUST be arrested on a domestic violence call. This is in contrast to other states that require the officer to arrest an individual like in Utah. But even in those states there must be probable cause.

Edit: And since we are talking about TX anyway, it is even less of a requirement there. Where TN it is preferred if the officer with probable cause arrest the suspect, in TX it completely gives the discretion to the responding officer by stating that they MAY arrest a suspect that they have probable cause of committing domestic violence.

 

[butchna]

You might want to ask for your money back. In TN, and only when the officer has probable cause to believe that a person has committed a crime involving domestic abuse, is it the preferred response. Not the required response, but preferred. And again, only if there is probable cause. So no, there is no requirement in TN that someone MUST be arrested on a domestic violence call. This is in contrast to other states that require the officer to arrest an individual like in Utah. But even in those states there must be probable cause.

This happened in TEXAS.

 

[Stoerner Fumbles]

Yes there is dummy.. I went to school for CJ
in a domestic violence call.. someone must be arrested. You sir don’t know the rules of the country you live it… you will be the first sheep slaughtered

Yes there is dummy.. I went to school for CJ
in a domestic violence call.. someone must be arrested. You sir don’t know the rules of the country you live it… you will be the first sheep slaughtered[/QUOTE

I can’t imagine that you’ve been trained to do anything beyond going to the bathroom outside, but you’re wrong nonetheless. We operate on something called laws in this country, not rules. If there is no probable cause, there is no arrest. You show me a “rule” where a police call results in a mandatory arrest. No such thing exists.

 

[RockyTopTexas]

Hey buddy try google