Chris Donald

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Guys please review the board rules regarding personal attacks at try to stay on topic. If you want to keep at it, take it to PM.
 
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Anyway back to the topic. Here's an article where Donald says he hasn't committed to ND, it was just a rumor.

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I read that article earlier today OWB. I'll take him at his word although the poster on RTN seemed to be very convinced that his information is accurate. The whole thing is just kind of weird. I still believe that if CD was "all Vol" he would have already committed to UT, which pretty much goes along with what he has said about UT and ND being 50-50 at this point.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I read that article earlier today OWB. I'll take him at his word although the poster on RTN seemed to be very convinced that his information is accurate. The whole thing is just kind of weird. I still believe that if CD was "all Vol" he would have already committed to UT, which pretty much goes along with what he has said about UT and ND being 50-50 at this point.
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What other big time players are leaving the state.
 
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You know Tenn. doesn't put out the best talent in America, but how many states are bordered by so many other states. They also pull a lot of players from states like Ohio (Peerless Price, Webb etc.) and Fla. Therefore Knoxville's location isn't as bad as you may think.
 
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UT pulled a lot of out of state guys when they had a good/great season. The problem is that when you live by big time out of state recruiting you can also die by it. As we saw with the '06 class, it only takes one bad season to shut down then bandwagon. Then you have to go grovelling to all those in-state high school coaches who you've snubbed for 20+ years and beg them to help you get the few 3-4* prospects that the state actually produces. Very dicey in my opinion.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
UT pulled a lot of out of state guys when they had a good/great season. The problem is that when you live by big time out of state recruiting you can also die by it. As we saw with the '06 class, it only takes one bad season to shut down then bandwagon. Then you have to go grovelling to all those in-state high school coaches who you've snubbed for 20+ years and beg them to help you get the few 3-4* prospects that the state actually produces. Very dicey in my opinion.
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very astute observation. the vols are already at a disadvantage compared to the states of Fl, GA, LA, TX, CA, and even AL. So, I think we can all agree that the solution is to win, or see if we can get Rodney Garner to come back.I was kinda disappointed that out of our new assistants we didnt go after an ace recruiter.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
UT pulled a lot of out of state guys when they had a good/great season. The problem is that when you live by big time out of state recruiting you can also die by it. As we saw with the '06 class, it only takes one bad season to shut down then bandwagon. Then you have to go grovelling to all those in-state high school coaches who you've snubbed for 20+ years and beg them to help you get the few 3-4* prospects that the state actually produces. Very dicey in my opinion.
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Snubbed? The HS talent in TN sucks for the most part, so would you have rather been taking all these players from the so called snubbed coaches for the past 20 years. I don't know how you can be snubbed when you have no reason to have ever been looked at in the first place.
 
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allvol123 said:
Snubbed? The HS talent in TN sucks for the most part, so would you have rather been taking all these players from the so called snubbed coaches for the past 20 years. I don't know how you can be snubbed when you have no reason to have ever been looked at in the first place.
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I don't disagree with your general assessment of TN HS football talent. In hindsight, however, it would have been prudent to press the flesh a little more and make some of these guys feel important rather than letting other coaches "build a wall" around parts of your state (see: Memphis). IMO what we are now seeing is indicative of Fulmer's actual recruiting skill. A trained monkey can recruit Top10 classes at a BCS conference school that wins 9-10 games per year. The real skill is in assembling top classes at a losing program.
 
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Im not sure he meant snubbed so much as we have not developed and maintained any semblance of a relationship with those coaches. It shouldnt be that difficult to show some love to all the head football coaches in some way, shape, or form, not with the resources UT has
 
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rexvol said:
Im not sure he meant snubbed so much as we have not developed and maintained any semblance of a relationship with those coaches. It shouldnt be that difficult to show some love to all the head football coaches in some way, shape, or form, not with the resources UT has
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Yes. That is what I meant. Thanks. Just bring them up for a coaching seminar in the summer. Or maybe visit the school even if there is not a prospect you are interested in there that year just so the locals feel appreciated. It wouldn't take much effort IMO.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
IMO what we are now seeing is indicative of Fulmer's actual recruiting skill. A trained monkey can recruit Top10 classes at a BCS conference school that wins 9-10 games per year. The real skill is in assembling top classes at a losing program.
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This takes the cake . . . Now CPF doesn't get credit for being a good enough coach to win 9-10 games OR be a good recruiter? :flush:
 
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I want both in a coach, is that really to much to ask? I mean this is Tennessee Football, shouldnt we have a coach that can do both? Dont get me wrong, I love CPF, he brought me a very long awaited NC, but make no mistake this is his make or break year.
 
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GAVol said:
This takes the cake . . . Now CPF doesn't get credit for being a good enough coach to win 9-10 games OR be a good recruiter? :flush:
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I'm saying that I do not beleive he can do both. Take away the winning season and the class ranking goes down the toilet you refer to.

Take 2001 when the only regular season loss was by 2pts. to UGA then UT lost to Ntl. Champs. LSU in the SECCSG before beating Michigan in a bowl. The 2002 signing class was #2. That's awesome but how hard do you think it really was to get that class signed considering the season UT had?

In 2002, the team went 8-5 and the 2003 recruiting class was #18.

In 2003, the Vols went 10-3 and the subsequent recruiting class was #11.

In 2004, the Vols again went 10-3 only this time with a return to the SECCSG and 2 of the losses to undefeated AU and the 2005 recruiting class comes out ranked #4.

Of course, we all know what happened last year. There is an obvious, easily identifiable correlation between the on the field success of Fulmer's teams and the ranking of his recruiting classes. Being a rational, cogent human I can see that without wins Fulmer cannot recruit very effectively...at least not compared to the likes of Ed Orgeron. The thing that concerns me, as I have stated before, is that Fulmer is not an Xs & Os mastermind, and neither is Cut IMO based on prior history (see: Cut vs UF), and without superior talent they cannot win agaisnt the upper echelon of the SEC.
 
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our main problem has been the lack of athleticism on the O-line. In the past with some of our better teams (minus peyton's jr and sr years were we could effectively throw it) we just ran over people. there is not a whole lot of masterminding their but you don't need to be a mastermind if you can run the ball. It can make your passing game look a lot better than it really is.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Take 2001 when the only regular season loss was by 2pts. to UGA then UT lost to Ntl. Champs. LSU in the SECCSG before beating Michigan in a bowl.
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LSU didn't win the National Championship until 2003. They went on to beat Illinois in the Sugar Bowl after defeating UT in the 2001 SECCG.
 
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