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#52
#52
Snakes on a Wii said:
But they would if they could. Make no mistake, the government in many cases is the only reason why you're alive. National defense goes without saying, but clean water, air, and safe food and medicine are not universally available because corporations respect the customer.
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Im assuming the "they would, if the could" statement was directed toward, private business being able to make law.

They can't, so doing so, if they could, has nothing to do with it.

The government, is the reason I can't "live". Mainly the socialists. The ones that believe, what I have worked to earn, should go towards those who have decided not to work.
 
#53
#53
Snakes on a Wii said:
Power inequalities are not a liberal viewpoint. Just because conservatives refuse to recognize them doesn't make the recognizance of them liberal.
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Conservatives recognize them and have a different view of how to solve them then liberals. To suggest otherwise is to not understand conservative views.

As for the NPR example, presenting power inequalities doesn't make them liberal. Always taking the perspective of the "weak" does make them biased. It is not always the "powerful" that are the wrong doer. It is not always the "weak" that are the victim. Consistently representing one side's view point is the very definition of bias.
 
#54
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volinbham said:
Conservatives recognize them and have a different view of how to solve them then liberals. To suggest otherwise is to not understand conservative views.

As for the NPR example, presenting power inequalities doesn't make them liberal. Always taking the perspective of the "weak" does make them biased. It is not always the "powerful" that are the wrong doer. It is not always the "weak" that are the victim. Consistently representing one side's view point is the very definition of bias.
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I have met many on here and in real life who deny the existence of power inequalities (the get off your bum and get a job crowd).

Edit: Also, from a journalistic standpoint they feel it is part of their job to give voice to the disadvantaged since without them they have no outlet.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Im assuming the "they would, if the could" statement was directed toward, private business being able to make law.

They can't, so doing so, if they could, has nothing to do with it.

The government, is the reason I can't "live". Mainly the socialists. The ones that believe, what I have worked to earn, should go towards those who have decided not to work.
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There are very few people in the welfare system who enjoy being on it, or have made a conscious decision not to work. Especially since they can lose their benefits if they don't.
 
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Snakes on a Wii said:
I have met many on here and in real life who deny the existence of power inequalities (the get off your bum and get a job crowd).

I've met many liberals that think the govt. should provide all basic needs - doesn't mean that all liberals are that extreme.

Edit: Also, from a journalistic standpoint they feel it is part of their job to give voice to the disadvantaged since without them they have no outlet.
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Their journalistic standpoint is therefore biased. Your statement confirms it. I assume you would view the Wall St. Journal as having a pro-capitalism bias and you'd be right. The fact that I agree with the WSJ doesn't mean I don't recognize they are promoting a point of view through their editorial choices. I'm puzzled why people deny the same for NPR.
 
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#60
Snakes on a Wii said:
There are very few people in the welfare system who enjoy being on it, or have made a conscious decision not to work. Especially since they can lose their benefits if they don't.
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This proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Maybe you should visit the hood sometime and go into one of the projects. While there, I will show you people rolling in Escalades and pulling down money like crazy, because they have nine kids, sling dope, rob the tax payers that help support their lazy asses.

I had one that told me she was on disability and nothing was physically wrong with her. I asked her what her disability was and she said " I had a miscarriage 5 years ago". My wife had a miscarriage. Millions of women have miscarriages and dont get on disability.

Then you have the ones that talk about how they get a "crazy check". Those are the ones that put their children in the "special" classes in school. I have a friend that teaches special ed and when she tells a parent that their kid is not a special needs child, some get mad and defensive. The reason is they wouldnt get their check if the kids not in special needs classes.

Then you have the unwed women that have 5 or 6 kids. You ask them why they dont get child support from the fathers and they tell you " I cant get my check if I do that".

Shall I continue about the poor, helpless hordes on welfare and in government housing in this country?

The ones that really need government assistance in this country, like severly wounded soldiers, or truly disabled people, cant get it for the mass majority that is on it for no other reason but the are lazy, nonproductive, worthless oxygen thieves.

Your naivety will get you no e-creds here
 
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CountVolcula said:
This proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.
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These arguments are by their nature entirely anecdotal. In a sense that makes them worthless, but it's hard to call someone ignorant when they just hear different anecdotes than you.

CountVolcula said:
Maybe you should visit the hood sometime and go into one of the projects. While there, I will show you people rolling in Escalades and pulling down money like crazy, because they have nine kids, sling dope, rob the tax payers that help support their lazy asses.
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That sounds not only incredibly racist but myopic. The hood is not a place where people like to be, let me just leave it at that.

CountVolcula said:
I had one that told me she was on disability and nothing was physically wrong with her. I asked her what her disability was and she said " I had a miscarriage 5 years ago". My wife had a miscarriage. Millions of women have miscarriages and dont get on disability.
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A miscarriage can be symptomatic of a deeper medical problem, which is probably why she's on disability. Just like how millions of people cough but a few of them actually have TB.

CountVolcula said:
Then you have the ones that talk about how they get a "crazy check". Those are the ones that put their children in the "special" classes in school. I have a friend that teaches special ed and when she tells a parent that their kid is not a special needs child, some get mad and defensive. The reason is they wouldnt get their check if the kids not in special needs classes.
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It sounds like the system is broken then. Why don't we try to fix it instead of just getting rid of the whole thing?

CountVolcula said:
Then you have the unwed women that have 5 or 6 kids. You ask them why they dont get child support from the fathers and they tell you " I cant get my check if I do that".
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Yes, because child support is counted as income. As someone who has personal experience with this, child support is a messy issue and there are lots of deadbeat dads who try to pull stuff like this to scare women away from taking them to court over not paying child support.

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Shall I continue about the poor, helpless hordes on welfare and in government housing in this country?
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Well what would you have us do? Continue to let them roam the street, or try to help them with immediate assistance and education?

CountVolcula said:
The ones that really need government assistance in this country, like severly wounded soldiers, or truly disabled people, cant get it for the mass majority that is on it for no other reason but the are lazy, nonproductive, worthless oxygen thieves.
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The real reason why this is true is because politicians (yes, including Republicans) have been cutting vet benefits for years.

CountVolcula said:
Your naivety will get you no e-creds here
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Good, because I don't want any.
 
#63
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droski said:
i'd bet good money you are under the age of 21
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If I were how would that change anything? Are people under 21 who happen to agree with your political ideology also stupid and naive? What if I were an old man, would I then be senile and out of touch with reality? Get real.
 
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volinbham said:
Their journalistic standpoint is therefore biased. Your statement confirms it. I assume you would view the Wall St. Journal as having a pro-capitalism bias and you'd be right. The fact that I agree with the WSJ doesn't mean I don't recognize they are promoting a point of view through their editorial choices. I'm puzzled why people deny the same for NPR.
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Right, it is biased but not towards to the left. Giving more weight to the disadvantaged is something liberals may do, but that does not mean that giving weight to the disadvantaged makes one liberal. Jesus taught to help the poor, but that doesn't make him a liberal.
 
#65
#65
looks like i hit a bullseye. your arguments lack sophistication. live a little, actually work for a living, develop your opinions from experience rather than jon stewart, and then come back here and tell us we are all idiots.
 
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#66
droski said:
looks like i hit a bullseye. your arguments lack sophistication. live a little, actually work for a living, develop your opinions from experience rather than jon stewart, and then come back here and tell us we are all idiots.
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I hate Jon Stewart, I work for my living. I'm sorry I don't fit your stereotype.
 
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droski said:
teacher or burger flipper?
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Tutor, close enough for you? It's frankly none of your business, but since you seem so interested in attacking me rather than my arguments I figured I'd indulge. Even if I were to be mugged and killed tomorrow in the hood my arguments don't just evaporate. I am not what you should be attacking here.
 
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droski said:
tutor is not a real profession
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I'm sorry if my part-time occupation does not fit your narrow definition of a "real profession". But my point still stands. I could be a welfare-taking deadbeat dad who never goes outside except to buy more food and beer and my arguments would still be no lesser just because I happened to say them. An argument is independent from the person making it. Knowing someone's background can put things into context, help you understand where he or she is coming from, but it doesn't make their arguments invalid.
 
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#71
of course your opinion matters less if you don't have the experiences to back them up. do you go to your 3 year old child for tax advice?
 
#72
#72
droski said:
of course your opinion matters less if you don't have the experiences to back them up. do you go to your 3 year old child for tax advice?
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My point is that experience doesn't matter in arguments like this where both sides are capable of understanding each other. You go to an accountant because you don't understand something about finance and you know they do, but discussions like this are open. I believe that all sides of the political spectrum are capable of understanding each other, but they have plenty of reasons why they don't want to. It's easier to pigeonhole every liberal as hippie college kid or every conservative as an old white male, but it's a lot harder psychologically to accept that the other side might have some valid points to make, especially on an issue where you have strong personal convictions.
 
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you are the only liberal here i said was a college kid. do you think that is a coincidence? it was because your arguments are naive and simplistic.
 
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you state things like "There are very few people in the welfare system who enjoy being on it, or have made a conscious decision not to work." despite zero real world experience to support it. how do you know there are very few people who have made a decision not to work?
 
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Snakes on a Wii said:
Right, it is biased but not towards to the left. Giving more weight to the disadvantaged is something liberals may do, but that does not mean that giving weight to the disadvantaged makes one liberal. Jesus taught to help the poor, but that doesn't make him a liberal.
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I believe Jesus taught to "teach a man to fish" not to place fish on his table.
 
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