Church and State

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#26
First, Easter, Good Friday, and Holy Thursday are still the holiest days in the Christian calendar. The first Catholics celebrated the birth of Christ and also celebrated Advent, it just happened at different times of the year.

The two men in Texas were trying to get caught having sodomizing each other in order that they could take it to the Supreme Court and have the sodomy laws in Texas (which were basically used for the sole purpose of adding further counts against rapists and sexual assailants) overturned.
 
#27
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(OrangeSquare @ Jul 8 said:
As for the Chirstmas debate, the slogan Seasons Greetings has been around a LONG time. The problem that I, as a Christian have with it's usage now is that it's being used INSTEAD OF Merry Christmas in places that it shouldn't be. Non-Christians say that we are whining about the usage of Seasons' Greetings when in reality we are trying to save the day as a religious holiday, which was it's intent for a LONG, LONG time. The people and places that have suddenly decided to use Seasons Greetings, where they once used Merry Christmas, are either on purpose, or unknowingly offending Christians by suddenly moving away from the history of the day.

Non-Christians that are "offended" when someone says Merry Christmas to them are foolish, because the DAY is called Christmas, and the phrase "Merry Christmas" is simply wishing them a Happy Day.
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OS, my problem is with the Falwells and the Robertsons who want to boycott a Wal-Mart or a Target for saying Season's Greetings to their customers instead of Merry Christmas. I mean, Good God, they have Jewish and Muslim customers too, and they have no way of knowing to what faith, if any, a paticular customer belongs. Season's Greetings is just a polite way of saying I wish the very best to you on whichever religious holiday you happen to celebrate, it's not meant as a slight to christians, Falwell and his drivel aside.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 8 said:
The two men in Texas were trying to get caught having sodomizing each other in order that they could take it to the Supreme Court and have the sodomy laws in Texas (which were basically used for the sole purpose of adding further counts against rapists and sexual assailants) overturned.
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Do you have a source for that accusation?
 
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(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Jul 8 said:
OS, my problem is with the Falwells and the Robertsons who want to boycott a Wal-Mart or a Target for saying Season's Greetings to their customers instead of Merry Christmas. I mean, Good God, they have Jewish and Muslim customers too, and they have no way of knowing to what faith, if any, a paticular customer belongs. Season's Greetings is just a polite way of saying I wish the very best to you on whichever religious holiday you happen to celebrate, it's not meant as a slight to christians, Falwell and his drivel aside.
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And, if Wal-Mart feels like most of its customer base is non-Christian, then they won't mind the boycott.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 8 said:
The two men in Texas were trying to get caught having sodomizing each other in order that they could take it to the Supreme Court and have the sodomy laws in Texas (which were basically used for the sole purpose of adding further counts against rapists and sexual assailants) overturned.
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They obviously weren't being used for the sole purpose of adding extra counts against rapists and Sexual assailants in this case.
 
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(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Jul 8 said:
They obviously weren't being used for the sole purpose of adding extra counts against rapists and Sexual assailants in this case.
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They weren't being sought out and prosecuted either. Its kind of like seat belt laws. If you get pulled over for speeding and your seat belt is off, then they add it to the ticket. However, cops are not sitting on the side of the rode with binoculars checking to see if you are wearing your seat belt.

The police did not respond to the house with the expectation of finding two men having sex. They responded to a weapons disturbance, called in by a neighbor and friend, and they entered the unlocked and open residence.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 8 said:
And, if Wal-Mart feels like most of its customer base is non-Christian, then they won't mind the boycott.
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They don't care anyway. It'll hurt them about as much as the Disney boycott hurt Disney. Most christans don't pay any attention to these self righteous pharisees, but their grandstanding still gets old.
 
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I never stated that I was offended by Happy Holidays. I stated that people who are have the right to boycott.
 
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I never stated they didn't. I just stated that it was rigged by those two men. However, I still don't understand how that ties in to the reason you brought it up in reference to refraining from worship???
 
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I am still waiting to hear an example where someone has not been allowed to refrain from worshipping?
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 8 said:
It does not have to be a theocracy in order to see the flaw in that killing an animal is a felony but killing a fetus is celebrated.
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It is most certainly not celebrated. the women I know who have had an abortion have deep emotional scars, not to mention the brow beating they get from the christians who call them "baby killer".
 
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(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Jul 8 said:
It is most certainly not celebrated. the women I know who have had an abortion have deep emotional scars, not to mention the brow beating they get from the christians who call them "baby killer".
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1. You are not going to get my sympathy.
2. If they did not kill a baby, then they should feel no guilt nor remorse.
3. It is most certainly celebrated.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 8 said:
I am still waiting to hear an example where someone has not been allowed to refrain from worshipping?
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STILL WAITING :boredom:
 
#45
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(therealUT @ Jul 8 said:
I am still waiting to hear an example where someone has not been allowed to refrain from worshipping?
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When the laws are written according to christian moral standards, then people are forced to live by those standards whether they choose to or not.

The example I gave is one example. The actions of the two men in question caused harm to no one. There is no logical reason for a law which criminalizes homosexuality, except that it is a christian moral standard.
 
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#46
There is no logical reason behind outlawing human sacrifice either or statuatory rape
 
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(MyBloodRunnethOrange @ Jul 8 said:
Of course there is. Those are crimes that harm other people.
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Not at all. Most cases of statuatory rape are consensual and most people of faiths and areas of the world that practice human sacrifice in one way or another feel it is their duty. In neither case is their a declaration of a victim of harm done.
 
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(therealUT @ Jul 8 said:
Not at all. Most cases of statuatory rape are consensual and most people of faiths and areas of the world that practice human sacrifice in one way or another feel it is their duty. In neither case is their a declaration of a victim of harm done.
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In the case of statuatory rape, one could make the case that it is consensual, but the government has set 18 as the age of consent, which seems reasonable.

I doubt that the victim of a human sacrifice would consider it his duty to die for some bloodthirsty god image.
 
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