Clemson vs Duke

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05_never_again said:
Hell, at this rate Alabama might not even give him the courtesy call. lol
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Folks here have already commented that Dabo isn't adapting to the changes in college football very well. Dabo may be letting it all pass him by and he might be fine with that. He's wealthy. He's got rings. He could AD (probably poorly) or do TV.

His ego probably won't let him quit but if he doesn't adapt, and soon, he'll be out of the "elite coach" conversation just when Alabama is looking for Nick's successor.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Folks here have already commented that Dabo isn't adapting to the changes in college football very well. Dabo may be letting it all pass him by and he might be fine with that. He's wealthy. He's got rings. He could AD (probably poorly) or do TV.

His ego probably won't let him quit but if he doesn't adapt, and soon, he'll be out of the "elite coach" conversation just when Alabama is looking for Nick's successor.
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Personally I think he'd be crazy if he left for Alabama anyway. There's absolutely no reason for him to - not money, not ability to win titles, not ability to get into the playoff, etc. Plus he'd only ever be Alabama's 3rd best HC. In contrast he is the man at Clemson, even if he's struggling at the moment.
 
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05_never_again said:
Personally I think he'd be crazy if he left for Alabama anyway. There's absolutely no reason for him to - not money, not ability to win titles, not ability to get into the playoff, etc. Plus he'd only ever be Alabama's 3rd best HC. In contrast he is the man at Clemson, even if he's struggling at the moment.
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I've never gotten the "sure thing" that Dabo was the frontrunner to replace Saban. I guess I see the similar "CEO style" setup at Clemson but Dabo has always just seemed a little too much of an imitation to me. A poor man's Nick Saban.

Like I said, he's rich, he's had a good career at Clemson, and he clearly doesn't like the direction college football is headed. There's more to life than a nearly 24/7/365 college head coach job that he might be starting to hate because of the changes.

Lots of us can relate. Except for the rich part.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I've never gotten the "sure thing" that Dabo was the frontrunner to replace Saban. I guess I see the similar "CEO style" setup at Clemson but Dabo has always just seemed a little too much of an imitation to me. A poor man's Nick Saban.

Like I said, he's rich, he's had a good career at Clemson, and he clearly doesn't like the direction college football is headed. There's more to life than a nearly 24/7/365 college head coach job that he might be starting to hate because of the changes.

Lots of us can relate. Except for the rich part.
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Dabo (eventually, because there was and still is no indication Saban's retirement is imminent) to Alabama was the obvious, almost too obvious, talking point in 2015-16. Dabo is a Bammer and he made the title game in 2015, so he had proven he was "worthy" to their fanbase, and then he cemented that in 2016 when he beat Alabama to win the title. It did make a lot of sense at the time. I'm sure if Saban retired sometime around then, Dabo would have been their first call and I bet he absolutely says yes.

However, by the time he won the second title and signed that new deal that pays him just like Saban, there was absolutely no reason for him to ever leave there.
 
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Clemson could help us tremendously by beating Notre Dame, Florida State, North Carolina, and then losing to South Carolina. That would be awesome!
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Yeah but this is also a week 1 road game against a team that’s better than people think. Clemson still has top 10 talent. I’m betting they get it together well enough to win 9, maybe 8 at worst.
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Or maybe Clemson is worse than people think. Klubnic ain’t the guy. He’s not gonna win a ball game when it’s up to him. It’s been proven twice now.
 
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Through_The_T said:
Dabo has no one to blame but himself. Buck stops with him.

While the culture he built there is admirable, his ego appears to be driving decisions and he is not adjusting to the new era of players and the overall college football landscape. His stubbornness around NIL and the transfer portal is proof of that.

He needs to take ownership and may have to make extremely tough decisions to fix the program (ie new ways of doing things, getting better support staff in place, evaluation of all of his coaching staff regardless of relationship or tenure, etc.)

Dabo is a very loyal guy, but that only gets you so far and it has come back to bite him repeatedly over the last few seasons.
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It’s becoming clearer that Venerables meant more to Clemson football than people realize.
 
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nomads-11 said:
If I'm Clemson, I'm starting a coaching search now. Dabo has been living past his shelf life the past couple years....there's momentum going into this, there's the same coming out of it. He's toast, and if he keeps losing this year, which is imminently possible, the 2024/5 class will evaporate. He's literally on the edge, only Clemson hasn't realized it yet. The more you deny it, the further they'll sink.....
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we knew the same thing in 2005. could've had (almost) anyone we wanted to take the reigns at that point but too many people who had a say were clinging onto what happened in 1998. we waited too long and that is the direct cause of our having to settle on most the interceding head coaching hires and nearly 20 years of wandering in the wilderness. Pre-2005 Fulmer had seven-10+ win seasons, two conference titles, and one natty. Dabo has twelve 10+ win seasons, eight conference titles, and two natties. Clemson will make the same mistake we did and let Dabo leave his program in worse shape than the one he inherited from Tommy Bowden.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
It’s becoming clearer that Venerables meant more to Clemson football than people realize.
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I think people suspected at the time that losing Venables was a big deal.

Dabo's biggest issue might be simply never having been all that great at player development. He won/played for those titles with back-to-back generational talents at QB and an assortment of WRs who went early in NFL drafts. Venables defenses were good, but Watson/Lawrence/Watkins/Hopkins/etc. is mostly how they won those games.

Since then, he's continued to recruit guys who were highly sought after, just like all those guys were, but they don't appear to be gamebreakers. What gives? I get the impression that DeShaun and Trevor were special talents who would have been elite players anywhere. He deserves credit for signing them, but players at that level don't grow on trees either. They were lucky to have them back-to-back. It also doesn't help that he hates NIL and doesn't like/use the Portal.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Duke's coach would probably get a call first. Yes, Duke's coach!
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Elko will be an SEC coach or a coach that will get a big job. If this Jimbo and Petrino marriage doesn’t work, he’ll get a call . If Marcus Freeman doesn’t work in South Bend I think Elko could get that call. He’s been both places and knows the lay of the land. He did receive an extension after last season that put him at Duke through 2029.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think its more the system than the player.
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While the talent isn't what it used to be at QB with Clemson,this is a good point. When Dabo had Watson and Lawrence and Venables as DC,he was able to get by with the system he had in place. Now that he is without that on both sides of the ball, he's struggling. He doesn't want to adapt.
 
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05_never_again said:
Ego isn't the problem. Nick Saban and 99% of CFB coaches have a gigantic ego. It's basically a prerequisite of doing the job.

A refusal to adapt is the problem. You can have a gigantic ego and still be adaptable.
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You can add pure laziness as well. If memory serves me correctly, I believe we witnessed laziness and failure to adapt in our program that led to numerous issues. Hate to bring it up but the truth hurts sometimes. Adapting is the basic principle from the book “Who Moved My Cheese”. If you don’t continually adapt to succeed, you get left behind.
 
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Clemson has rolled out a stable of defensive players, great backs, hot receivers, etc., during their run. Be it NIL or whatever, there is a talent gap there at the moment compared to recent rosters.
 
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GVF said:
Clemson has rolled out a stable of defensive players, great backs, hot receivers, etc., during their run. Be it NIL or whatever, there is a talent gap there at the moment compared to recent rosters.
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yes. It is difficult to know what is going on with their NIL. some report it as exceedingly weak compared to pretty much every other program with national title aspirations, and many that are not there yet, and then there was an interview with one of their players this summer in which he said the NIL is strong and at least six of their players have six-figure deals.
 
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GVF said:
Clemson has rolled out a stable of defensive players, great backs, hot receivers, etc., during their run. Be it NIL or whatever, there is a talent gap there at the moment compared to recent rosters.
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If you believe in recruiting rankings, they are recruiting better than they ever have.

IMO Dabo lost his edge when he got success. He had always taken guys and gotten the most out of them to build Clemson. But once he got to the top, the development of the better talent hasn't maintained. As others were pointing out complacency/laziness seem to be creeping up on Dabo like it did with Fulmer.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Or maybe Clemson is worse than people think. Klubnic ain’t the guy. He’s not gonna win a ball game when it’s up to him. It’s been proven twice now.
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Certainly possible but just because he’s 0-2 doesn’t mean he will always suck. They don’t beat Syracuse last year without Klubnik.
 
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