Clemson vs Duke

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Zues1 said:
But they hired the TCU offensive coordinator.
Yep, pretty offensive id say. 😅
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Like most coaches they want what they see but try to make it theirs by tweaking. Saban is about the only one I’ve seen to roll through a dozen OC’s and still win, a lot. Kirby is kinda that way too.
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Talent sure but poorly coached talent doesent mean that you win a lot of ball games.

Clemson is a mess top to bottom and it’ll take longer than a week and a cupcake to fix it.
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Yeah but this is also a week 1 road game against a team that’s better than people think. Clemson still has top 10 talent. I’m betting they get it together well enough to win 9, maybe 8 at worst.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Yeah but this is also a week 1 road game against a team that’s better than people think. Clemson still has top 10 talent. I’m betting they get it together well enough to win 9, maybe 8 at worst.
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Clemson made enough mistakes to lose 3 games last night. Just like they did vs SC. Winning 9, even in the ACC, may not be that easy if they keep that up.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Yeah but this is also a week 1 road game against a team that’s better than people think. Clemson still has top 10 talent. I’m betting they get it together well enough to win 9, maybe 8 at worst.
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Only 9 wins with their talent and playing in the ACC should show how mediocre Dabo is. He feasted on a terrible, down conference and had 2 generational QB’s. Without DW and TL he’s a 10-3 coach.
 
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nomads-11 said:
If I'm Clemson, I'm starting a coaching search now. Dabo has been living past his shelf life the past couple years....there's momentum going into this, there's the same coming out of it. He's toast, and if he keeps losing this year, which is imminently possible, the 2024/5 class will evaporate. He's literally on the edge, only Clemson hasn't realized it yet. The more you deny it, the further they'll sink.....
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He’ll get a chance to make a DC change I believe and should get that. Dabo himself is no scheming genius, so he needs great assistants around him, he had that with Morris and Veneables. His stubbornness, need to meddle and incessant focus on culture kept him promoting from within even if someone wasn’t capable for the job (i.e. current DC Wes Goodwin). If your culture breaks down with 1-2 outside hires then you had no culture or foundation to begin with.
 
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Been over on the Clemson boards this morning. It’s a cluster gnashing of teeth. We know how they feel. They’re pretty fed up with Dabo and his schtick, want this fixed and are really upset over three losses in their last four games. Dabo getting excoriated for his lack of attention to the portal and NIL. Comments about Dabo playing favorites and nepotism with the players that are “his drinking buddies”. Worried that the SEC and B1G will no longer “covet” their program. Lol! And their board is even more proof that @Freak has the best board/forum in the business.
 
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feathersax said:
Just speculating that this field-storming thing is a FIRST for Duke football.
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From video they showed, it looked like they at least stormed the field the last time they beat a top 10 team in 1989.

(They probably would have in 2013 when they clinched their division, but they didn’t end up doing so until the last game of the season, which was an away game for them.)
 
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Dabo has no one to blame but himself. Buck stops with him.

While the culture he built there is admirable, his ego appears to be driving decisions and he is not adjusting to the new era of players and the overall college football landscape. His stubbornness around NIL and the transfer portal is proof of that.

He needs to take ownership and may have to make extremely tough decisions to fix the program (ie new ways of doing things, getting better support staff in place, evaluation of all of his coaching staff regardless of relationship or tenure, etc.)

Dabo is a very loyal guy, but that only gets you so far and it has come back to bite him repeatedly over the last few seasons.
 
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Through_The_T said:
Dabo has no one to blame but himself. Buck stops with him.

While the culture he built there is admirable, his ego appears to be driving decisions and he is not adjusting to the new era of players and the overall college football landscape. His stubborness around NIL and the transfer portal is proof of that.

He needs to take ownership and may have to make extremely tough decisions to fix the program (ie new ways of doing things, getting better support staff in place, evaluation of all of his coaching staff regardless of relationship or tenure, etc.)

Dabo is a very loyal guy, but that only gets you so far and it has come back to bite him repeatedly over the last few seasons.
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Not sure it's ego - it's more stubbornness/unwillingness to adapt because of his personal opinion about some of the changes in the sport. You see it all the time. Not just in CFB but all the time in business or just life in general.

Some kind of change in the industry occurs, and the people running the dominant company in the space doesn't like it. They fight it, say it is bad, try and get the government to pass laws to change it, etc., while the competition simply sees where the industry is going and adapts.

The real genius of someone like Saban isn't in his Xs and Os coaching or even his recruiting, which is perhaps the best the sport has ever seen. It is in his willingness and ability to adapt. Saban hates wide open, hurry up offenses and my suspicion is that he doesn't like the Portal either, yet he uses both.
 
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orange blossom said:
Duke's offensive and defensive line are very stout, and they have depth...... impressive team.
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Elko has a great scheme. The defense has been solid since he arrived. All of their losses last year were by a touchdown or less. He won ACC COY, but I don’t think they got the notoriety he deserved.
 
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05_never_again said:
Not sure it's ego - it's more stubbornness/unwillingness to adapt because of his personal opinion about some of the changes in the sport. You see it all the time. Not just in CFB but all the time in business or just life in general.

Some kind of change in the industry occurs, and the people running the dominant company in the space doesn't like it. They fight it, say it is bad, try and get the government to pass laws to change it, etc., while the competition simply sees where the industry is going and adapts.

The real genius of someone like Saban isn't in his Xs and Os coaching or even his recruiting, which is perhaps the best the sport has ever seen. It is in his willingness and ability to adapt. Saban hates wide open, hurry up offenses and my suspicion is that he doesn't like the Portal either, yet he uses both.
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IE ego. "I know best and my way of doing things is correct. Don't question me!"

I've come to learn that almost all crumbling businesses/organizations failed due to the ego of key personnel or decision makers in that organization. Refusal to change or evaluate themselves due to the ego. It's a tale as old as time, unfortunately.

If I wanted Dabo to do well at all, I'd send him the below. But Clemson's downfall seems to correspond with our rise, so I'll leave it be. 🤣

 
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Through_The_T said:
IE ego. "I know best and my way of doing things is correct. Don't question me!"

I've come to learn that almost all crumbling businesses/organizations failed due to the ego of key personnel or decision makers in that organization. Refusal to change or evaluate themselves due to the ego. It's a tale as old as time, unfortunately.

If I wanted Dabo to do well at all, I'd send him the below. But Clemson's downfall seems to correspond with our rise, so I'll leave it be. 🤣

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Ego isn't the problem. Nick Saban and 99% of CFB coaches have a gigantic ego. It's basically a prerequisite of doing the job.

A refusal to adapt is the problem. You can have a gigantic ego and still be adaptable.
 
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dcibrando said:
I’m concerned we haven’t seen klubniks parents yet. Can someone check on them.
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I actually feel bad for his parents and the way they have became a meme. It’s not like they asked ESPN to make an absurd amount of comments on them during the Orange Bowl. They just wanted to see their son play football
ESPN is the devil. Even when they are trying to boost someone, they overdo it so enthusiastically that it ends up backfiring.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I don't think the ACC has a "no rush the field" rule like the SEC and some other Conferences do.
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Yeah, some conferences still have the word „fun“ in their dictionaries. Nick ruins everything he touches. He won’t be happy until no one enjoys College Football, not even his own fans.
BTW, thanks a LOT Nick for that new clock rule. I really enjoyed those „shorter games“ this weekend 🙄
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I actually feel bad for his parents and the way they have became a meme. It’s not like they asked ESPN to make an absurd amount of comments on them during the Orange Bowl. They just wanted to see their son play football
ESPN is the devil. Even when they are trying to boost someone, they overdo it so enthusiastically that it ends up backfiring.
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ESPN will do the "what a comeback" angle for the kid if Clemson starts to win. ESPN won't miss a beat.
 
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nomads-11 said:
If I'm Clemson, I'm starting a coaching search now. Dabo has been living past his shelf life the past couple years....there's momentum going into this, there's the same coming out of it. He's toast, and if he keeps losing this year, which is imminently possible, the 2024/5 class will evaporate. He's literally on the edge, only Clemson hasn't realized it yet. The more you deny it, the further they'll sink.....
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Dabo's buyout is in the $50-60 million range for a few years yet. Short of a call from Tuscaloosa, Dabo is pretty locked in for a few years or he's a very rich man.
 
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