Climate Change Report

#301
#301
Weezy said:
Old farts are responsible for the massive debt pile and unfunded liabilities. Enjoy spending our paychecks. And no, you didn't pay for that. You spent it, and filled the SS fund with IOUs, except it's more like you owe us's.
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It's not old farts. It was elected politicians of all ages. . Don't blame people like me.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I did read somewhere none of the Paris Treaty signatories have met their carbon target goals.

It's a good thing we got so wrapped up on that.
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Funny you should mention that. The EU crowd never intended to meet them, their intent all along was to simply cash the $100 billion or so checks we, the USA, was committed to cut them annually. We actually after withdrawing from this useless monstrosity of a treaty actually met our carbon obligations. So, before the whole thing falls apart Macron of France decided to send in some significant coins before everybody went home and forget about it. He significantly increased the gasoline tax in France to fight "climate change." So he's going to use the money to build giant atmospheric carbon scrubbers? No. Use the money to provide incentives to convert to elecric cars? No. Provide the beef and pork industries in France with Beano supplies to cut down on farm animal flatulence? No. The money basically goes in to the general fund for their politicians to say they are fighting climate change. The French people have finally figured out what the con the whole thing is, Macron's favorability is polling at 20% and there's rioting and burning in the streets across the country. The biggest con is and always has been you must be taxed significantly NOW to keep your kids from frying like bacon tomorrow morning but they never connect the dots that this money is going to be used to build giant planetary carbon scrubbers. It's never been about science, it's always been about drawing a conclusion then cherry picking data and producing modeling with foregone outcomes by the modet producers and calling that science.
 
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Weezy said:
Old farts are responsible for the massive debt pile and unfunded liabilities. Enjoy spending our paychecks. And no, you didn't pay for that. You spent it, and filled the SS fund with IOUs, except it's more like you owe us's.
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IF the newbies like Ocrazio Cortez get their way, it will be the old farts' spending on steroids.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
IF the newbies like Ocrazio Cortez get their way, it will be the old farts' spending on steroids.
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And in a few years Weezy and the current crop of newbies will be old farts (if they don't OD or commit suicide), and they will be blamed by a future crop of newbies for their reckless spending and unfunded liabilities. A lot of us current old farts didn't vote for or support LBJ or any other tax and spend Dims. But here we are, and their legacies are the gifts that just keep on giving. OC, the stupid witch (with a b), will definitely be like Ebola (or Obola) on steroids; and, obviously, in spite of their blame game the newbies haven't learned a damn thing when it comes to tax and spend candidates.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
Well both of them are adverse effects on the atmosphere from human release of hydrocarbons, but yeah, not really comparable in any way.
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Clearly the climate change has absolutely nothing to do with natural cycles of nature and the sun. Sometimes I believe anyone who sees the phrase scientists they automatically think infallible and trustworthy.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Clearly the climate change has absolutely nothing to do with natural cycles of nature and the sun. Sometimes I believe anyone who sees the phrase scientists they automatically think infallible and trustworthy.
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It's not so much that anything scientists say should be accepted without question--rather, it's that the relevant experts in the field have more credibility than some tinfoil hat-wearing e-sleuth on a sports forum. Here's an interesting quote from ExxonMobil's site:
"The risk of climate change is clear and the risk warrants action. Increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere are having a warming effect. There is a broad scientific and policy consensus that action must be taken to further quantify and assess the risks."

I'm sure your take on this will be that the deep state has infiltrated Exxon, but I thought it was worth a shot anyway.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
It's not so much that anything scientists say should be accepted without question--rather, it's that the relevant experts in the field have more credibility than some tinfoil hat-wearing e-sleuth on a sports forum. Here's an interesting quote from ExxonMobil's site:
"The risk of climate change is clear and the risk warrants action. Increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere are having a warming effect. There is a broad scientific and policy consensus that action must be taken to further quantify and assess the risks."

I'm sure your take on this will be that the deep state has infiltrated Exxon, but I thought it was worth a shot anyway.
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What conspiracy theory do I subscribe to? Deep state? Lol. Ok whatever. I believe that humans have definitely contributed to the climate change. But the big question that absolutely nobody can state with any certainty is how much. There is no real way to calculate how the climate was a billion or 2 billion years ago. Its best guess. To state otherwise is nothing but false.

Also, factor in that our entire way of life is built around fossil fuels. There is no way that we can survive without them. Cutting carbon emissions? One semi large volcanic eruption can spew more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere in one event than we can in months on years. Those are natural events. Solar power? Requires fossil fuels. Wind? Fossil fuels. Nuclear? Fossil fuels. The bottom line is there have been many, many reports that have turned oit to be false about climate change. So another huge question is whatbis truly to be believed? Government studies? Why would anyone take them seriously? Even if we stopped all carbon emissions today, do you honestly believe that would fix the climate? If som how and why?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
What conspiracy theory do I subscribe to? Deep state? Lol. Ok whatever. I believe that humans have definitely contributed to the climate change. But the big question that absolutely nobody can state with any certainty is how much. There is no real way to calculate how the climate was a billion or 2 billion years ago. Its best guess. To state otherwise is nothing but false.

Also, factor in that our entire way of life is built around fossil fuels. There is no way that we can survive without them. Cutting carbon emissions? One semi large volcanic eruption can spew more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere in one event than we can in months on years. Those are natural events. Solar power? Requires fossil fuels. Wind? Fossil fuels. Nuclear? Fossil fuels. The bottom line is there have been many, many reports that have turned oit to be false about climate change. So another huge question is whatbis truly to be believed? Government studies? Why would anyone take them seriously? Even if we stopped all carbon emissions today, do you honestly believe that would fix the climate? If som how and why?
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My replies here have only been arguments for humans affecting climate change. I've not tried to quantify it at all, nor have I stated what we ought to do. I just thought that sentiments like "such arrogance to believe we can increase global warming," notably one that you "liked," are retarded given what we know about past anthropogenic effects on the atmosphere as well as a preponderance of evidence for the issue at hand.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
My replies here have only been arguments for humans affecting climate change. I've not tried to quantify it at all, nor have I stated what we ought to do. I just thought that sentiments like "such arrogance to believe we can increase global warming," notably one that you "liked," are retarded given what we know about past anthropogenic effects on the atmosphere as well as a preponderance of evidence for the issue at hand.
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OK, if you believe in cause and effect and that man is the driving force, then why are none of the scientists addressing the world population explosion. If a few million people were causing a problem, then what do you think a few billion more are doing??? Do you think it's possibly because climate "scientists" see that no matter what changes you make there's simply no way to change "what man alone is doing" when there are exponentially more of them doing it? Do you think such an admission would leave them fundless since they have no answers and no solutions to that problem?
 
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AM64 said:
OK, if you believe in cause and effect and that man is the driving force, then why are none of the scientists addressing the world population explosion. If a few million people were causing a problem, then what do you think a few billion more are doing??? Do you think it's possibly because climate "scientists" see that no matter what changes you make there's simply no way to change "what man alone is doing" when there are exponentially more of them doing it? Do you think such an admission would leave them fundless since they have no answers and no solutions to that problem?
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Follow the same line of logic with regard to the ozone layer. We did something about it and it seems to have worked.
 
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Long Invisible, Research Shows Volcanic CO2 Levels Are Staggering (Op-Ed)

TL,DR... while its not true that a single active volcano eruption can release more c02 than all human activity, that is false, the numbers scientists have been giving for the last couple decades measuring carbon released by volcanoes has increased 6x...and thats just the active volcanoes, and only measured in the smoke/vapor plume. The fact is, volcanoes seep co2 from all around the actual opening, and inactvive volcanoes release half as much as an active volcano.

So basically, they release orders of magnitude more carbon than what scientists have been reporting, and thats with only 9% of them having even been measured. Gotta keep the funding rolling in by blaming it all on humans....
 
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#320
Wafflestomper said:
Follow the same line of logic with regard to the ozone layer. We did something about it and it seems to have worked.
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Well first of all, you are talking substances that man created ... at least according to the people who patented and manufactured stuff like Freon. Man giveth and man can taketh away; that's a little different from how hydrocarbons are formed and then subsequently manipulated both by man and nature. In fact, we hardly hold a candle compared to some of nature's little tantrums like volcanoes, earthquakes that release gas pockets, lightning initiated forest fires, etc.

Secondly, there's this:

"Cut-price Chinese home insulation is being blamed for a massive rise in emissions of a gas, highly damaging to the Earth's protective ozone layer.

The Environmental Investigations Agency (EIA) found widespread use of CFC-11 in China, even though the chemical was fully banned back in 2010.

Scientists have been extremely puzzled by the mysterious rise in emissions.

But this report suggests the key source is China's home construction industry.

Just two months ago, researchers published a study showing that the expected decline in the use of CFC-11 after it was completely banned eight years ago had slowed to a crawl."

China 'home foam' gas key to ozone mystery

So maybe we didn't do as much to fix the hole as our "scientists" claimed On the other hand we are well under half a billion people, and the Chinese are past 4 billion and headed up rapidly, and we can't fix the Chinese brand of stupid unless you have a novel idea for dealing with the elephant in the room. The Chinese cheat - they always have and always will when it's in their interest. And by the way, the World Court decided against the Chinese and some of their man made islands, and you see what difference that has made ... zip if you missed it. So don't expect a little diplomatic pressure to change anything; and when our wonderful industrial sector sent our manufacturing to places like China so they could profit more fully for the sale of cheap goods, don't count on economic pressure either (see lobbying and congress). Probably forget military intervention, too. A squabble with someone ten times your population is risky, and our people like to go all rah rah about the prospect of a war, but quickly lose interest and turn against it before victory can be snatched from the jaws of little things like rules of engagement and "attrition" of the enemy forces predicated on fighting a red-coated, highly regimented force circa 1776.
 
#321
#321
AM64 said:
And in a few years Weezy and the current crop of newbies will be old farts (if they don't OD or commit suicide), and they will be blamed by a future crop of newbies for their reckless spending and unfunded liabilities. A lot of us current old farts didn't vote for or support LBJ or any other tax and spend Dims. But here we are, and their legacies are the gifts that just keep on giving. OC, the stupid witch (with a b), will definitely be like Ebola (or Obola) on steroids; and, obviously, in spite of their blame game the newbies haven't learned a damn thing when it comes to tax and spend candidates.
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If I was dictator for a day, the first thing I'd set is a balanced budget amendment. And the first thing cut would be Social Security and Medicare. Because the money was never saved. It's a ponzi scheme. And if I'm not going to get mine, then you can't get yours. And the boomers are financially better off than anybody else. A product of the most selfish generation realizing they have the voting numbers to cut themselves future checks using their kids paychecks. Turds.
 
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#322
Weezy said:
If I was dictator for a day, the first thing I'd set is a balanced budget amendment. And the first thing cut would be Social Security and Medicare. Because the money was never saved. It's a ponzi scheme. And if I'm not going to get mine, then you can't get yours. And the boomers are financially better off than anybody else. A product of the most selfish generation realizing they have the voting numbers to cut themselves future checks using their kids paychecks. Turds.
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Except boomers weren't even a thought when a Dim cooked up the SS ponzi scheme. And by the way our generation paid in for the ones before us - and many of those receiving SS during our lifetime never paid a cent into SS. Then it was another set of Dims who completely broke the bank with Medicaid - you know, the part that is pure hokum - never any pretense of people paying anything for healthcare. If Dims had set SS funds aside for the intended purpose instead of spending them like drunken sailors, SS might have had a chance at stability. Before you say it, the Rep party has become as bad about spending as Dims; but then there's not much choice - bringing home the bacon keeps all politicians in business. People may not have direct access to the treasury, but they found the workaround, and sure enough they have emptied it - just as it was prophesied for democracies.
 
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