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I’m not saying the Paris Agreement is some fantastic silver bullet. I was just pointing out how your misrepresentation was self-contradictory.

And of course you are still misrepresenting China’s efforts. They didn’t offer to do nothing for 15 years. In total, China invested three times as much money into alternative energy as the US did last year. Per capita that comes out to slightly less money per person, but if we’re going to compare per capita then it’s relevant to point out that their per capita emissions are still less than half of ours. Last year nearly half of the world’s investment into alternative energy came from China. They have been and continue to build nuclear power plants, making up more than half of the world’s new nuclear investment. Hydropower is currently their largest alternative energy source and they continue to develop that as well, unlike us. They are positioning themselves to be an energy superpower in the future and we are not. Now, is China all roses and sunshine? No. Could and should they do more? Yes. But the same is true of everyone.

Like I said earlier, the targets are largely meaningless. Actions are what count. In reality, what would be the difference between hard targets like Kyoto and the voluntary contribution/peer pressure system of the Paris Agreement? Brazil’s largest trade partner is the EU. Many thought Bolsonaro would go the way of Trump but when the EU threatened to cancel their free trade agreement he got in line. Of course, it’s still early and we’ll see what happens there. But imo there is not much difference in practice between hard targets with penalties and soft targets with peer pressure.

Anyway, thanks for offering up something. I’ll patiently wait on the details of that “better deal” from the Trump Administration.
Who the **** do you think is monitoring China’s emissions??
 
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Who the **** do you think is monitoring China’s emissions??


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Solyndra did pretty well. I’m sure everyone will run out and buy a Tesla.[/QUOT
Solyndra did pretty well. I’m sure everyone will run out and buy a Tesla.


CV’s comment included a sentence re: the creation of new industries not the addition to existing industries Central to the subject of the thread was that in the late 1970’s there were very few if any environmental lawyers. Count them up today. Hundreds per state IMO
 
I think the Model 3 starts around the same price as a BMW 3-series. Tesla intentionally released the higher-end cars first.

They were saying there’s a ton of overruns , even the ones that preordered theirs at 69k can’t pick them up now for that and they don’t know what the end price will be .
 
When my gas tank is empty I just fill it up with gas.

When my electric battery is low I plug it in and recharge it.

When my fuel pump or fuel filter need replacement I change it myself with a $150 fuel pump or $5 fuel filter.

When my electric battery pack dies I have to buy a $3000 refurbished battery pack. And man I hope I can change it myself.

When the horseless carriage came along people no longer had to deal with the care of the horses. Once fuel stations were in place it was done. Not so with electrics and that’s a horrible comparison.

Electric cars are still not ready for prime time. They are a lifestyle choice. And my lifestyle demands the largest gas powered V8 I can buy in a chosen vehicle. And most likely will for the rest of my life.
 
Electric cars are still not ready for prime time. They are a lifestyle choice. And my lifestyle demands the largest gas powered V8 I can buy in a chosen vehicle. And most likely will for the rest of my life.

Sorry, why are they not ready for prime time? I know several people who have or have had electric cars and none of them have had regrets. Sure, it's not the right choice for everyone, but neither is a giant truck.
 
When my gas tank is empty I just fill it up with gas.

When my electric battery is low I plug it in and recharge it.

When my fuel pump or fuel filter need replacement I change it myself with a $150 fuel pump or $5 fuel filter.

When my electric battery pack dies I have to buy a $3000 refurbished battery pack. And man I hope I can change it myself.

When the horseless carriage came along people no longer had to deal with the care of the horses. Once fuel stations were in place it was done. Not so with electrics and that’s a horrible comparison.

Electric cars are still not ready for prime time. They are a lifestyle choice. And my lifestyle demands the largest gas powered V8 I can buy in a chosen vehicle. And most likely will for the rest of my life.

To me the part of the not ready for prime time issue is travel. Not a trip to the grocery or to work, but a real trip in your own car. With my car I drove 400 miles or so and fill up, get back in, and drive some more (with a fill for the car and a drain for me that's 10 - 15 min). Electric cars are like the cars before decent roads and gas stations, and you don't "fill" an electric car in 10 - 15 min. My lifestyle also doesn't lead me to prefer dealing with delays and TSA so I can fly someplace and then figure out how to travel around in that locality. I may not completely agree with you on engines, but life doesn't begin without 250 HP or more - preferably connected to a manual transmission.
 
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Sorry, why are they not ready for prime time? I know several people who have or have had electric cars and none of them have had regrets. Sure, it's not the right choice for everyone, but neither is a giant truck.

It’s not for you to decide what someone’s right choice should be.
 
Sorry, why are they not ready for prime time? I know several people who have or have had electric cars and none of them have had regrets. Sure, it's not the right choice for everyone, but neither is a giant truck.
When a fuel source is put forth having equivalent specific energy characteristics to fossil fuels along with the longevity and relatively ease of maintenance of the internal combustion engine THEN you will have a case for the death of the internal combustion engine.

Present battery types are dying from the moment they first deliver current to the electric motor. And their death rate is much quicker than an internal combustion engine.

For example the Prius recently switched from Nickle Metal Hydride to Lithium Ion batteries. I do not believe LiION will ever displace petroleum. There is a newer technology called Lithum Ferro Phosphate which has LiION performance without the hazards. But as usual it’s new a horribly expensive right now but it’s getting better.

If electric reaches the specific energy levels as petroleum and a means to deal with battery replacement and capacity decay (your gas tank doesn’t shrink over time) then it has a shot. I’ve read some that predict crossover around 2050ish. It won’t affect me much I am guessing.

If something beats electric to the punch and becomes more viable first then it will win.

To be clear I don’t think the internal combustion engine is the end of the line. It’s just still the best there is. To repeat I think electrics are a life style choice. If if fits somebody’s car abouts and they know what they’re buying great. I seriously doubt I will ever own one.

BTW I am an electrical engineer. And I deal with power systems and electric motors every day. My speciality is embedded controls systems.
 
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To me the part of the not ready for prime time issue is travel. Not a trip to the grocery or to work, but a real trip in your own car. With my car I drove 400 miles or so and fill up, get back in, and drive some more (with a fill for the car and a drain for me that's 10 - 15 min). Electric cars are like the cars before decent roads and gas stations, and you don't "fill" an electric car in 10 - 15 min. My lifestyle also doesn't lead me to prefer dealing with delays and TSA so I can fly someplace and then figure out how to travel around in that locality. I may not completely agree with you on engines, but life doesn't begin without 250 HP or more - preferably connected to a manual transmission.
Again life style choice. For me life indeed begins north of 250 HP and that’s my choice. But you chose what’s right for you by all means that’s your right. I just don’t feel compelled to agree at this moment and I don’t think I will in my lifetime.

Energy availability is a huge issue and kudos for people like Musk in taking that on. I think he’s bat **** crazy but I do applaud his innovators spirit.

But physics will not be ignored and specific energy content will be recognized and obeyed. Petroleum is still the best around. When it no longer is, it will be displaced. It’s that simple.
 
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Out of curiousity did any government have to incentivize the horseless carriage invention to get people to buy it?
 
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The argument that the gas engine is optimal is based on a premise that doesn't believe global warming is caused by humans or doesn't believe it's going to have detrimental impact. Or you just dont give a **** about your kids or are just don't care enough to do some reading.

That's the argument. Without that, ya, electric cars are not competitive.
 
The argument that the gas engine is optimal is based on a premise that doesn't believe global warming is caused by humans or doesn't believe it's going to have detrimental impact. Or you just dont give a **** about your kids or are just don't care enough to do some reading.

That's the argument. Without that, ya, electric cars are not competitive.
That’s YOUR argument not mine. And it’s a losing argument when it comes to a mainstream technology. Emotional pleas won’t displace basic economics.

And I don’t have any kids 😬
 
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