Climate Change Report

#26
#26
lawgator1 said:
A significant part of it. Not the only. But we can lead on this, right?
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We should be leading on this but we have an anti-science President who thinks the concept of Climate Change was "created by and for the Chinese to make US manufacturing non-competitive". That's just one of the many absurd and ridiculous things Trump has said about Climate Change.
 
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#28
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Hunerwadel said:
Even it the report is incorrect it would still make sense to practice good planetary hygiene.
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Then find the stinky spot and start soaping them up . We don’t need a federal government to spend millions of dollars to tell you not to throw your styrofoam containers from Captain Ds out the car window .
 
#30
#30
lawgator1 said:
Gotta start somewhere. The fact that our short term greed has prevented us from acting so far is a poor excuse not to take action now.
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You and I both know the Paris Agreements were not even remotely "fair" by any definition of the word.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Then find the stinky spot and start soaping them up . We don’t need a federal government to spend millions of dollars to tell you not to throw your styrofoam containers from Captain Ds out the car window .
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Look around. It appears we actually do.
 
#40
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Hunerwadel said:
Look around. It appears we actually do.
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No we ACTUALLY DONT. Personal responsibility is what is needed . Why do you want the government telling you that you need or don’t need ? If you want to clean up then do it , if you don’t then it’s on you .
 
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#41
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Hunerwadel said:
We're just the second biggest problem after China.
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unlike China we are getting better. China Emits More Carbon Dioxide Than The U.S. and EU Combined

There are some positives in the data. Over the past decade, the U.S. has decreased annual carbon dioxide emissions by nearly 800 million tons.This is by far the most of any country in the world
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see this is why I can't take people complaining about it seriously. they say we aren't doing enough, but we are leading in the efforts to decrease this stuff.
 
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#42
#42
Grand Vol said:
You and I both know the Paris Agreements were not even remotely "fair" by any definition of the word.
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I don't think an international agreement is the right first step. It is necessary, yes. But the first step ought to be for the US to reduce carbon emissions by X percent, with the major industries targeting their own lowered standards. Then do it and show the world it can be done reasonably and without hyper damage to competitiveness.

Its just an expense. It can be recouped, just as other environmental compliance is recouped.
 
#43
#43
lawgator1 said:
I don't think an international agreement is the right first step. It is necessary, yes. But the first step ought to be for the US to reduce carbon emissions by X percent, with the major industries targeting their own lowered standards. Then do it and show the world it can be done reasonably and without hyper damage to competitiveness.

Its just an expense. It can be recouped, just as other environmental compliance is recouped.
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Didn't Trump get some local governments and private industries to do just that without legislation?

The man's a genius.
 
#44
#44
We don't need to sign an international agreement. Set a carbon tax, a real one, and hit imports with a carbon tax as well. Return as a dividend to offset some price increase.

Or nationalize the energy industry and go all nuclear/hydro/wind.
 
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0nelilreb said:
No we ACTUALLY DONT. Personal responsibility is what is needed . Why do you want the government telling you that you need or don’t need ? If you want to clean up then do it , if you don’t then it’s on you .
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Unfortunately we live in a world where not everyone takes personal responsibility. So, we all end up paying.
 
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#47
I don't question that the climate is changing. However, the actual human impact on climate change has not and probably never will be proven. This whole idea that because the atmosphere is warming it must be human's fault violates one of the basic principles of arguments you learn in English 1: Correlation is not causation. There is data to suggest that the warming taking place is cyclical in nature. Furthermore, we are technically in an ice age right now so the idea that the atmosphere warming is something unexpected and worrisome is absurd. Maybe the warming is just a transition out of the ice age we're in?

If leftists and idiots in Congress really wanted to cut down on Carbon emissions they would be all for nuclear energy. That stuff coming out of those towers looks scary and toxic, but in reality it's just water vapor. I suppose the word "nuclear" scares people when in reality it's one of the safest, most reliable, and practical methods of energy production out there.

The idiots arguing for solar panels don't realize that the factory that produces those solar panels is generating far more CO2 than a nuclear or hydro power plant would. The idiots arguing for wind energy don't realize that wind turbines have drastically negative impacts on bird wildlife populations. Reliability of both of these energy methods is non-existent, therefore rendering both as non-practical solutions to CO2 emissions.
 
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#50
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lawgator1 said:
I don't think an international agreement is the right first step. It is necessary, yes. But the first step ought to be for the US to reduce carbon emissions by X percent, with the major industries targeting their own lowered standards. Then do it and show the world it can be done reasonably and without hyper damage to competitiveness.

Its just an expense. It can be recouped, just as other environmental compliance is recouped.
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we have done that. we have had the tech for a while and been getting better for a while. if the world was nothing but the US this might have a chance. the issue is all the non US countries. we can't subsidize/nationalize/globalize the fix for other countries, we can barely do it for ourselves, spreading our resources even further just makes us weaker.

looking at it the best argument for tariffs/building/manufacturing in the US is the green standards we have vs what the world does. the issue is of course no one in the world does what we do. even the EU you can't reliably find building materials that meet our green standards. its not like the US where everyone has to do it.

if you care about the environment you would never buy from overseas, especially China.
 
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