Climate Change Report

#80
#80
ClearwaterVol said:
We aren't leading any efforts. It is going to take some work to create a real agreement with a real mechanism to measure success and real penalty for failing to meet those goals.
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one of the dead lines was 2020. the next is 2030, with all of us dead by 2050.

because no effort is going to work, and instead of spending time fixing the issue, we waste the time talking about the issue.

2020 is already missed because no one could meet the standards of the existing agreement. now you want to throw in even more international politicking. no way to get that done in any good time frame and it be a good deal.

if countries are worried about it they should be jumping on it. not waiting for someone else to take charge. we, apparently, don't have time to wait. What are we going to as a real penalty? Invade them? sanction them so they have even less money to get the impossible done? anything we could do, as far as I see it, is counterproductive.
 
#83
#83
C-south said:
Did the report go back 4.5 billion years?
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that's what I like about the "500" year storms and whatnot. we haven't had modern tech for even 100 years, heck if we got 50-70 years everything boils down to estimates. but yeah we know a storm of this magnitude should only happen every 500 years the natives told us. even if we did know when the last 500 or even 100 year storm was we would have so few data points its laughable to say what "should" be.
 
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LouderVol said:
one of the dead lines was 2020. the next is 2030, with all of us dead by 2050.

because no effort is going to work, and instead of spending time fixing the issue, we waste the time talking about the issue.

2020 is already missed because no one could meet the standards of the existing agreement. now you want to throw in even more international politicking. no way to get that done in any good time frame and it be a good deal.

if countries are worried about it they should be jumping on it. not waiting for someone else to take charge. we, apparently, don't have time to wait. What are we going to as a real penalty? Invade them? sanction them so they have even less money to get the impossible done? anything we could do, as far as I see it, is counterproductive.
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China has jumped on none of it, they continue to China and do what they want.
 
#85
#85
LouderVol said:
that's what I like about the "500" year storms and whatnot. we haven't had modern tech for even 100 years, heck if we got 50-70 years everything boils down to estimates. but yeah we know a storm of this magnitude should only happen every 500 years the natives told us. even if we did know when the last 500 or even 100 year storm was we would have so few data points its laughable to say what "should" be.
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Yep, a little like a flea's eye view of a dog's history. It's always amazing how "educated", "progressive", and "visionary" men are when there's money to be made - particularly when it's funded by someone else in an astonishing effort to keep the sky in place. Snake oil is still the lubricant of choice in many circles.
 
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#87
titansvolsfaninga said:
So you dont care about your kids, or kids kids....cool, just put a bullet in their head now.
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I don't have any kids. The world will propagate just fine without my participation. But don't worry, I pay plenty of taxes to support yours.

You're welcome.
 
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#88
#88
Is Trump responsible for the depletion of the South American rain forest?

Nvm, yeah the libs say everything is his fault.
 
#91
#91
All that geothermal drilling down thousands of feet in Hawaii has nothing to do with all the volcanic activity there either.
 
#92
#92
1972 Grad said:
I'm in the same boat with you.
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I have kids and they all like plastic straws and burning through as much gas as they can during the week so on behalf of those little anti climate changers .. thank you and space coast for helping us pay for them , we need all the help we can get . 😂
 
#93
#93
This is why we need Space Force. Gotta find a new planet we can destroy.
 
#94
#94
Weezer said:
This is why we need Space Force. Gotta find a new planet we can destroy.
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Nah, they have bigger goals. The next hot topic is to put shades on the sun. The real question is whether one faction can label the sun an out of control menace before a left coast fascist labels it an endangered species since there's only one.
 
#95
#95
SpaceCoastVol said:
I don't have any kids. The world will propagate just fine without my participation. But don't worry, I pay plenty of taxes to support yours.

You're welcome.
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lol...first of all....your taxes don't support anything in my home. I am almost certain that my income is greater than yours, therefore my kids are supported just fine. Use your weekly paycheck to buy more beer and Marlboro's.
 
#98
#98
Uh oh. It is now becoming the who's income is the greatest thread. lmao. Let's start the measuring...

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#99
#99
lawgator1 said:
I don't think an international agreement is the right first step. It is necessary, yes. But the first step ought to be for the US to reduce carbon emissions by X percent, with the major industries targeting their own lowered standards. Then do it and show the world it can be done reasonably and without hyper damage to competitiveness.

Its just an expense. It can be recouped, just as other environmental compliance is recouped.
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Here's the thing as I've stated before about the international side of things.

The Paris Treaty was a bad deal for a lot of nations across the board, the US included. It gave a pass to high polluting nations like China and India because of their "developing" economies and set strict standards on others. Trump basically told the truth, the Paris Treaty was unfair and I'd dare say behind closed doors a lot of governments around the world agreed with him. Just didn't have the balls to follow the US leadership in the matter.

After Trump withdrew from the Paris Treaty, many whined and gnashed their teeth and said "oh yeah! We'll do it anyway!" Isn't doing something voluntary always preferred to having the government mandate it? Isn't it also a form of leadership to allow States and local municipalities to set their own standards? Let's face facts here, any time you get the federal government involved in anything, it becomes a mess. It's way easier for a local government to say "we're buying NG powered buses for our transit system because they are environmentally safer" instead of being forced to.
 
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#100
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Grand Vol said:
Here's the thing as I've stated before about the international side of things.

The Paris Treaty was a bad deal for a lot of nations across the board, the US included. It gave a pass to high polluting nations like China and India because of their "developing" economies and set strict standards on others. Trump basically told the truth, the Paris Treaty was unfair and I'd dare say behind closed doors a lot of governments around the world agreed with him. Just didn't have the balls to follow the US leadership in the matter.

After Trump withdrew from the Paris Treaty, many whined and gnashed their teeth and said "oh yeah! We'll do it anyway!" Isn't doing something voluntary always preferred to having the government mandate it? Isn't it also a form of leadership to allow States and local municipalities to set their own standards? Let's face facts here, any time you get the federal government involved in anything, it becomes a mess. It's way easier for a local government to say "we're buying NG powered buses for our transit system because they are environmentally safer" instead of being forced to.
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That won't work on a global scale.
 
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