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Mick said:
You are completely ignoring the impact humans have on the climate. You seem to think climate is an ever changing thing based on a multitude of natural phenomena excluding humans. Is that what you believe? Climate science tells you we are also variables in this big equation.
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I’m not ignoring that at all. You are ignoring several things I’ve said, specifically one in an earlier post where I acknowledged human impact. So, you’ve selectively picked at parts and then falsely accused me of being a red hat. Add to that religious prejudice and insulting my intelligence. You’re doing great!

One thing we can say for sure is humans went from producing little carbon impact to affecting it in a large way in a very short period of time relative to the age of the earth. The human population has grown exponentially, and then add in the industrial revolution. Of course we impact the earth. But when one simply does the math regarding population increase to climate increase it doesn’t add up.
So, the caring, Western world gets hit with the restrictions and the China’s of the world lie and ignore. This has been a big reason for China taking over as an economic power. Imagine having no checks within your own government and simply ignoring those from outside. The penalty? People buying more of your cheap stuff.

I work in an industry that has changed dramatically due to climate change concern. Sweeping and costly changes.
 
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BartW said:
Actually, Al Gore caught quite a bit of heat from scientists for his ice-free Arctic summer timeline, for example. That’s the mistake most frequently cited by contrarians. Likewise, the 2030 timeline has been misinterpreted and misrepresented to various degrees, and scientists have repeatedly attempted to correct that. I could cite numerous such instances. I’m sorry that the media and Congress are about as retarded as the general population. There’s only so much we can do.

I don’t follow the logic in this passage. Temperatures don’t just go up and down willy nilly. There is always a force, or balance of forces, causing it to go up, down, or remain steady. And this balance of forces was understood fairly well even 40-50 years ago, as you even seem to acknowledge.

All of our waste heat combined is only about 1% of the magnitude of the extra heat trapped by that extra insulation (and most of that heat still escapes to space despite the greenhouse effect). It's not significant.

I award you a point for coming up with a different and therefore more interesting thought than “it’s the sun” or some such recycled garbage argument, but I assure you, scientists have already looked into this too.

We didn’t stop studying physics when Newton published the Principia. We didn’t stop studying space after we landed on the moon. We’re not going to stop studying climate sciences because we know humans are causing present climate change.

The solutions are reducing emissions, carbon capture, or other geoengineering, and there’s tons of research into varieties of each. There’s tons of research into adaptation. There’s continued need for monitoring and accumulation of data. I’m not sure what exactly you meant by “assign blame”, but I do think it’s important to monitor sources and sinks of greenhouse gases (both through bookkeeping and remote sensing) in order to most efficiently reduce atmospheric greenhouse gases and in order to hold slackers and scoundrels accountable through the Paris Agreement.
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Bart, what can you tell me about the effects of an increase in temperature of the crust on plate tectonics and volcanic activity?
 
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Roustabout said:
I’m not ignoring that at all. You are ignoring several things I’ve said, specifically one in an earlier post where I acknowledged human impact. So, you’ve selectively picked at parts and then falsely accused me of being a red hat. Add to that religious prejudice and insulting my intelligence. You’re doing great!

One thing we can say for sure is humans went from producing little carbon impact to affecting it in a large way in a very short period of time relative to the age of the earth. The human population has grown exponentially, and then add in the industrial revolution. Of course we impact the earth. But when one simply does the math regarding population increase to climate increase it doesn’t add up.
So, the caring, Western world gets hit with the restrictions and the China’s of the world lie and ignore. This has been a big reason for China taking over as an economic power. Imagine having no checks within your own government and simply ignoring those from outside. The penalty? People buying more of your cheap stuff.

I work in an industry that has changed dramatically due to climate change concern. Sweeping and costly changes.
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That is what is being discussed is humans impact on the climate and how we can change it. Solar phenomenon and earth wobble are thing we cannot change as far as I know. I really don't care if your company's bottom line is hurt.
 
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Mick said:
That is what is being discussed is humans impact on the climate and how we can change it. Solar phenomenon and earth wobble are thing we cannot change as far as I know. I really don't care if your company's bottom line is hurt.
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That’s your problem. It isn’t our bottom line. It affects you and every other person more than you know. But thank you for you myopic honesty and admission that you don’t care. Technology is being forced, which dramatically raises the costs of these goods and makes it virtually impossible for the little guy. It makes them less reliable and actually less efficient, but it makes people like you feel better.
 
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Roustabout said:
That’s your problem. It isn’t our bottom line. It affects you and every other person more than you know. But thank you for you myopic honesty and admission that you don’t care. Technology is being forced, which dramatically raises the costs of these goods and makes it virtually impossible for the little guy. It makes them less reliable and actually less efficient, but it makes people like you feel better.
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It's obvious that this is just an emotional economic reaction to the climate science from you and other climate science deniers. Your argument has been reduced to your emotions. You would sacrifice the earth just to be more like China.
 
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Mick said:
I worry about climate change. It's obvious that this is just an emotional economic reaction to the climate science from you and other climate science deniers. Your argument has been reduced to your emotions. You would sacrifice the earth just to be more like China.
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Do you not find it hypocritical of the highest order that the elites have such a higher carbon footprint?
 
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Mick said:
It's obvious that this is just an emotional economic reaction to the climate science from you and other climate science deniers. Your argument has been reduced to your emotions. You would sacrifice the earth just to be more like China.
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Emotion? What I’m stating is a fact.
This is evidence of where you go when you have nothing. Attack your interlocutor and ignore his arguments.
 
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Orangeburst65 said:
Do you not find it hypocritical of the highest order that the elites have such a higher carbon footprint?
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There are the one that acknowledge the climate science and there are the ones that deny it. There are the ones that try to reduce their carbon footprint and there are the one that are peddle to the metal to make a bigger carbon footprint. The ones that deny it for self interest are the hypocrites.
 
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Mick said:
Earth sciences are great. I'm just assuming you had a point that refuted manmade climate change with that link.
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The earth is shifting, changes that normally occur are occurring. Axis changes in 2004, 08, 11 and 13 were directly tied to major climate events. Sunamis, earth quakes, flooding and freezing winters. Directly tied to axis shift.
In the info i posted it alluded to humans as a small percentage of that change that the earth goes through. Yes polar caps are melting and rebuilding and shifting... You'll be happy to hear the ice in the North is moving towards Russia, so Siberia will get considerably colder.
Changing the axis inveritibly changed what parts of the earth are interacting more closely with the sun and seasonal changes occur with this.
Looking back at extinction events in history, which are well documented by the mayans, the inuits ( most recently) the ice age ( which never left the poles) it seems the earth is on its own path as it has been before.
Temperatures during the last hundred years have risen .05 degrees as opposed to the .02 that is normal in a hundred year span.
I think humans have very little to do with what's happening now, it's the earth doing what the earth does.
 
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Roustabout said:
Emotion? What I’m stating is a fact.
This is evidence of where you go when you have nothing. Attack your interlocutor and ignore his arguments.
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What was your argument against the climate science? It seems to me it's more about economics than the actual science. Do you have an argument against the climate science or not?
 
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Mick said:
Are you trying to measure historical severity of storms? There must have been one so bad, Noah had to build an ark for the survival of the human race.

Now if you are trying to measure carbon's effects on the atmosphere, we have plenty of data points.
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You were the one who brought up natural phenemoms, Hurricanes and wild fires, as metrics to show how screwed we were.
 
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AM64 said:
You aren't going to notice, and the Russian nuclear sub program has done far worse. You probably don't even want to contemplate what's flushed down Chinese rivers into the ocean.
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Are fish eyes not an Asian delicacy? Now when they catch one fish they can get 3 eyes.
 
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LouderVol said:
You were the one who brought up natural phenemoms, Hurricanes and wild fires, as metrics to show how screwed we were.
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Those things are measurable correct? We have 100+ years of data, specifically data that measures such things correct? We also have carbon data from millions of years ago correct? Is it your contention that we don't have enough data points or the amount of carbon in the atmosphere does not influence Hurricanes, wildfires, temperature, or the Climate?
 
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