Clinton counting on "unfortunate accident" for Obama?

#26
#26
I don't know why people care SO much about other people's political beliefs.

Seems like VolzRChamps is literally hurt by what MG is saying about Obama.

Sheesh, people get so caught up in defending incredibly imperfect people that they've never met.
 
#27
#27
I'm not at all hurt. It's like I said, it's hard to understand true feelings from just reading words.

I also am not defending him from the things he does and doesnt do, but more for the things that people make up about him, which I would do for McCain and even Clinton if I thought someone was being unfair to either of them.

As for Volinbham. I can think something about someone without "judging" them. I used the word "think" instead of know to show that its only my opinion on how I perceive him. If I were judging him, I would have my mind made up and would swear that I "know" what he thinks and feels. I don't pretend to know anything about MG, I am only responding to what he types.

BigPapaVol- If you really think Michelle Obama is "racist" because of comments that Sean Hannity and others have taken out of context, then you are a victim of the media machine. I urge you to actually look past party lines and past press clippings and think for yourself.
 
#28
#28
I'm not at all hurt. It's like I said, it's hard to understand true feelings from just reading words.

I also am not defending him from the things he does and doesnt do, but more for the things that people make up about him, which I would do for McCain and even Clinton if I thought someone was being unfair to either of them.

As for Volinbham. I can think something about someone without "judging" them. I used the word "think" instead of know to show that its only my opinion on how I perceive him. If I were judging him, I would have my mind made up and would swear that I "know" what he thinks and feels. I don't pretend to know anything about MG, I am only responding to what he types.

BigPapaVol- If you really think Michelle Obama is "racist" because of comments that Sean Hannity and others have taken out of context, then you are a victim of the media machine. I urge you to actually look past party lines and past press clippings and think for yourself.

Are you kidding? How were they taken out of context? She said what she said and got called out on it... as far as the media "machine", that machine woould have let it slide without one word being said about it. It's usually talk radio, Fox News, or blogs that actually call someone out on something ludicrous like that statement.
 
#29
#29
BigPapaVol- If you really think Michelle Obama is "racist" because of comments that Sean Hannity and others have taken out of context, then you are a victim of the media machine. I urge you to actually look past party lines and past press clippings and think for yourself.
I'm fine forming my own opinions without the news. In fact, I haven't watched a Network or cable news show in months.

If you, for even a second, don't think that Obama has some full blown racists around him, you don't pay attention in the least.
 
#30
#30
Talk Radio, Fox News and Blogs are as bad or worse than CNN, MSNBC and Air America.

People that don't realize that, are sheep.
 
#33
#33
It's funny that people don't realize that there are blogs on both sides. As for Fox News and Talk Radio, yeah, it's probably pretty comparable to the things he mentioned.
maybe so, but pretending that I can't reason through what I'm reading makes him appear to be asleep at the wheel.
 
#34
#34
maybe so, but pretending that I can't reason through what I'm reading makes him appear to be asleep at the wheel.
and why spend the time stating that I can't think it through? If I truly can't think, how would a comment of that nature do anything but turn me further away, rather than the desired effect of helping me better appreciate Obama.

Emain, help your boy out. I am not ever going to respect a fiscal communist (which I heard about Obama from Rush Limbaugh).
 
#35
#35
It's funny that people don't realize that there are blogs on both sides. As for Fox News and Talk Radio, yeah, it's probably pretty comparable to the things he mentioned.

I know there are blogs on both sides. Blogs are simply the ramblings of people from all walks of life. Which is why I mentioned them when talking about bombthrowers from both sides.
 
#36
#36
and why spend the time stating that I can't think it through? If I truly can't think, how would a comment of that nature do anything but turn me further away, rather than the desired effect of helping me better appreciate Obama.

Emain, help your boy out. I am not ever going to respect a fiscal communist (which I heard about Obama from Rush Limbaugh).

I said that you couldn't think through it because you brought up Michelle Obama as a racist which is one of the most right-wing extremist ideas I have seen yet. You said that because of right wing bomb thowers that have misrepresented comments by Mrs. Obama. You showed with your comments that you CAN'T think your way through it.

As for my desires to help you better appreciate Obama, I could care less if you appreciate him. My goal here is not to change anyone's mind, and I certainly am not here to create votes for the Illinois Senator.

As stated before, I will however call out those asinine comments that come from the farthest regions of paranoia. Comments that hold no water whatsoever when weighed against common sense and fairness. It's not personal, as I don't KNOW your or anyone else's intent. I simply don't think that it does others that read things here a service to sit back and allow wacko extremist views to be espoused without a counter-attack.
 
#37
#37
I said that you couldn't think through it because you brought up Michelle Obama as a racist which is one of the most right-wing extremist ideas I have seen yet. You said that because of right wing bomb thowers that have misrepresented comments by Mrs. Obama. You showed with your comments that you CAN'T think your way through it.

As for my desires to help you better appreciate Obama, I could care less if you appreciate him. My goal here is not to change anyone's mind, and I certainly am not here to create votes for the Illinois Senator.

As stated before, I will however call out those asinine comments that come from the farthest regions of paranoia. Comments that hold no water whatsoever when weighed against common sense and fairness. It's not personal, as I don't KNOW your or anyone else's intent. I simply don't think that it does others that read things here a service to sit back and allow wacko extremist views to be espoused without a counter-attack.

I support Barack Obama and will admit Michelle Obama has made some borderline comments. As for everything else being said, it's all a matter of your perception. I lean way left, so I don't see Obama being way left. From what I can gather, BPV leans slightly right, so Obama is way out there to him. You need to understand this before you start ranting and calling people extremist wackos, or whatever you are trying to get at. Extremist wackos are people like Fred Phelps and Eric Rudolph, not volibham and bmfpv
 
#38
#38
and why spend the time stating that I can't think it through? If I truly can't think, how would a comment of that nature do anything but turn me further away, rather than the desired effect of helping me better appreciate Obama.

Emain, help your boy out. I am not ever going to respect a fiscal communist (which I heard about Obama from Rush Limbaugh).

He is attempting to use the same tactics as most of the left-leaning here. It's honestly growing quite tired, as I would rather not waste my time with them anyways. I think I may just start ignoring the liberals.
 
#39
#39
I support Barack Obama and will admit Michelle Obama has made some borderline comments. As for everything else being said, it's all a matter of your perception. I lean way left, so I don't see Obama being way left. From what I can gather, BPV leans slightly right, so Obama is way out there to him. You need to understand this before you start ranting and calling people extremist wackos, or whatever you are trying to get at. Extremist wackos are people like Fred Phelps and Eric Rudolph, not volibham and bmfpv

thanks emv.

bmfpv (! will now talk of myself in the third person) is undoubtedly a fiscal conservative with a center to mildly left of center social slant. I'm about live and let live, until it infringes another's rights.

If I'm extreme on anything, it's taxes. I view taxes as an extreme frictioanl expense to the strength of our economy, which is where we wield most of our international clout.
 
#40
#40
I said that you couldn't think through it because you brought up Michelle Obama as a racist which is one of the most right-wing extremist ideas I have seen yet. You said that because of right wing bomb thowers that have misrepresented comments by Mrs. Obama. You showed with your comments that you CAN'T think your way through it.

As for my desires to help you better appreciate Obama, I could care less if you appreciate him. My goal here is not to change anyone's mind, and I certainly am not here to create votes for the Illinois Senator.

As stated before, I will however call out those asinine comments that come from the farthest regions of paranoia. Comments that hold no water whatsoever when weighed against common sense and fairness. It's not personal, as I don't KNOW your or anyone else's intent. I simply don't think that it does others that read things here a service to sit back and allow wacko extremist views to be espoused without a counter-attack.

are you stupid enough to try and pretend that I'm anywhere near as extreme as Obama and wifey?
 
#41
#41
It's funny that people don't realize that there are blogs on both sides. As for Fox News and Talk Radio, yeah, it's probably pretty comparable to the things he mentioned.

You lean to the left... so you don't realize how farleft most of the media really leans... if it wasn't for those things listed, I as a conservative would have NOTHING. There's a reason all 3 of those are popular.

I will say there are nutty bloggers on both sides.
 
#42
#42
I said that you couldn't think through it because you brought up Michelle Obama as a racist which is one of the most right-wing extremist ideas I have seen yet. You said that because of right wing bomb thowers that have misrepresented comments by Mrs. Obama. You showed with your comments that you CAN'T think your way through it.

As for my desires to help you better appreciate Obama, I could care less if you appreciate him. My goal here is not to change anyone's mind, and I certainly am not here to create votes for the Illinois Senator.

As stated before, I will however call out those asinine comments that come from the farthest regions of paranoia. Comments that hold no water whatsoever when weighed against common sense and fairness. It's not personal, as I don't KNOW your or anyone else's intent. I simply don't think that it does others that read things here a service to sit back and allow wacko extremist views to be espoused without a counter-attack.

I've yet to hear how the comments were misrepresented.
 
#45
#45
And I am yet to hear how they were racist. I don't waste time commenting on something that doesn't exist.

That's between you and BPV, I won't speak for him since he can fight his own battles... you said they were misrepresented and taken out of context, but yet to say how.
 
#46
#46
That's between you and BPV, I won't speak for him since he can fight his own battles... you said they were misrepresented and taken out of context, but yet to say how.

Saying ANY comment from her was racist, or made her a racist is misrepresenting the comments. That is what I was referring to. The wackos that first started saying her comments were racist were doing the same thing to her comments as those of the Rev. Wright. They were only taking small portions of things and making them sound worse than they were.

That's a bad comparison because I believe a lot of the things said by Rev. Wright were very negative, idiotic things that I don't agree with no matter what context.
 
#47
#47
Saying ANY comment from her was racist, or made her a racist is misrepresenting the comments. That is what I was referring to. The wackos that first started saying her comments were racist were doing the same thing to her comments as those of the Rev. Wright. They were only taking small portions of things and making them sound worse than they were.

That's a bad comparison because I believe a lot of the things said by Rev. Wright were very negative, idiotic things that I don't agree with no matter what context.

Did she or did she not say that this was the first time in her whole life that she was proud to be an American? There's no way to really say that was taken out of context; same with Wright.
 
#48
#48
Did she or did she not say that this was the first time in her whole life that she was proud to be an American? There's no way to really say that was taken out of context; same with Wright.
exactly. There's no reason whatsoever to assume it was an isolated comment. For goodness sake, look at who her pastor is. The only person extreme in that whole debate is Wright and he's simply spewing the Farrakhan party line. Funny that Mrs. 'Reconciliation' hasn't been out there denouncing him as hard as she did our nation.
 
#49
#49
So, "This is the first time I'm proud to be an American" = racisim and no one here thinks that's a streatch?


Also, the comment was made in refference to her husband, the love of her life, running for and actually winning a bid for President of the United States. I not only understand the comment, but I understand the context that she intended it. It had to be, and continues to be a very proud moment for her. So much so that I can understand her saying that. Rivals will ofcourse take that and try to turn it into a comment that she was never proud to be an American before, but that's foolishness and a huge streatch to try to find something wrong with someone, just for the sake of trying to find something.
 
#50
#50
So, "This is the first time I'm proud to be an American" = racisim and no one here thinks that's a streatch?


Also, the comment was made in refference to her husband, the love of her life, running for and actually winning a bid for President of the United States. I not only understand the comment, but I understand the context that she intended it. It had to be, and continues to be a very proud moment for her. So much so that I can understand her saying that. Rivals will ofcourse take that and try to turn it into a comment that she was never proud to be an American before, but that's foolishness and a huge streatch to try to find something wrong with someone, just for the sake of trying to find something.

then you're saying she's too stupid to say what she intended. The actual sentence itself cannot be taken any other way. Mealy mouth it as you wish, but she wasn't just tossing out cliche phrases. She had a point and made it.
 

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