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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
It is beyond mind boggling. I’m of the opinion that nobody really does trust any of them to begin with and that they just pretend to so they can justify pulling the lever (or mailbox it nowadays) for the lying D or R of their chosen tribe. The voting populace is indoctrinated to believe there are no alternatives, and of course some are just too damn lazy to research what an Independent candidate proclaims to stand for and could possibly bring to the table.
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Who would you consider as the last true political statesman to occupy the white house?
Who would you consider as the last true personal statesman (private life) to occupy the white house?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem is that the media folks cannot argue back too much. They can't confront him with facts. They can't say he's lying with him sitting in front of them. They can't challenge him nearly enough.

Only prayer is for other GOP candidates on stage to go toe to toe. Be willing to pizz off the MAGA base in exchange for integrity. To call Trump what he is... and stand by it. Don't back down.
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Just stop. This is utterly ridiculous. Trump came into THEIR house and they apparently got dunked on. It just shows how lame the media is now.
 
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turbovol said:
No, we're not--you're wrong.
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No, actually I'm not. Burning civilians homes and farms by policy. Indiscriminately killing civilians. All of those qualify as war crimes. We're guilty as well.

Parse it if you want but I won't play the holier than thou game. And for the record I support Ukraine in this instance against invasion from Russia. But I'll call a spade a spade.
 
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McDad said:
Who would you consider as the last true political statesman to occupy the white house?
Who would you consider as the last true personal statesman (private life) to occupy the white house?
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Hmm ... interesting and thought provoking question. After pondering only moments, in my lifetime and voting lifetime absolutely none are worthy of those titles, the only 2 that could even be considered candidates IMO are Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. How sad is that? Before my lifetime, maybe Eisenhower.

The true and most reasonable answer IMO is George Washington and John Adams.

Yes #1 and #2. If my opinion of history is accurate they all get a little sketchy after that.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Reagan...

A case could be made for Clinton, but he had way too much baggage.
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I would like to believe that 60% to 75% go to DC with the purest intent to represent their constituents.
In Reality it is probably 50% or lower.

Washington DC is corrupt and will turn the best intents into a total money grab that serves the politician.
Creating a personal agenda, party line affiliation and abandoning their primary reason for being there.
The Result is Self Service before constituents.

Reagan got eaten up by it as time wore on, the only thing that saved him was the fact he had a competent staff that was more aligned with what the Country Needed at the time.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm not absolving the right by any means, they are at least half to blame for our current situation. But Trump would have faded into irrelevance by now had they nominated a decent principled candidate and just let Trump be. But they went a different direction.

Sure Trump has a staunch supporting base but they would have remained small and along with him would have been marginalized. The left has done everything they could possibly do to keep him relevant. I've never understood it.
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This town hall disproves your thesis, in my opinion. Specifically, his comments about January 6. He called it “beautiful” and tried to spin it as a positive. That’s not within the spectrum of things that sane people should be willing to accept. Any amount of critical thought results in some level of “it was bad.” Disagreeing with how bad the media says it is doesn’t make people think it’s “good.” The media giving him attention to say that should be a liability. The fact that people cheer for it isn’t the media’s fault.

From 2015 to 11/2020 I think your point was much more valid. People either didn’t really know what he was or had social/political pressure to accept him and didn’t really have a choice. At this point, neither is true. For the people who haven’t moved on, I can’t accept that that’s on anybody but them.

Not to say that the coverage of him is good but my page keeps refreshing and I don’t want to write this again.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem is that the media folks cannot argue back too much. They can't confront him with facts. They can't say he's lying with him sitting in front of them. They can't challenge him nearly enough.

Only prayer is for other GOP candidates on stage to go toe to toe. Be willing to pizz off the MAGA base in exchange for integrity. To call Trump what he is... and stand by it. Don't back down.
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All they had to do is turn his mic off when he went off topic or into a rant.
The media is the gift that keeps on giving to Trump
He will not Debate any candidates and will avoid the debates if they have the option to flip the Mic off when he rants or lies.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
This town hall disproves your thesis, in my opinion. Specifically, his comments about January 6. He called it “beautiful” and tried to spin it as a positive. That’s not within the spectrum of things that sane people should be willing to accept. Any amount of critical thought results in some level of “it was bad.” Disagreeing with how bad the media says it is doesn’t make people think it’s “good.” The media giving him attention to say that should be a liability. The fact that people cheer for it isn’t the media’s fault.

From 2015 to 11/2020 I think your point was much more valid. People either didn’t really know what he was or had social/political pressure to accept him and didn’t really have a choice. At this point, neither is true. For the people who haven’t moved on, I can’t accept that that’s on anybody but them.

Not to say that the coverage of him is good but my page keeps refreshing and I don’t want to write this again.
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His personal and financial exploits are on par with many politicians. He's an idiot bully no doubt. But the "we'll show him", " we'll find a way to make him pay" attitude by his fellow elite in NY and elsewhere and trotting him out before the courts has only galvanized his shrinking base and bought him appeal to those who distrust the government. The latter is a growing group and the government has given them every reason to distrust them.

They see in Trump a champion or at the very least a "hero" of sorts willing to fight Goliath. I personally don't buy it but I understand why some do. I don't trust the government either, I just don't trust Trump.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem is that the media folks cannot argue back too much. They can't confront him with facts. They can't say he's lying with him sitting in front of them. They can't challenge him nearly enough.

Only prayer is for other GOP candidates on stage to go toe to toe. Be willing to pizz off the MAGA base in exchange for integrity. To call Trump what he is... and stand by it. Don't back down.
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Sure they can and they do. Problem is when the script is flipped and there isn’t a teleprompter to tell them what to say it ends like this. They can challenge, just seems they aren’t ready. He exposes the media manipulation more than they expose him.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
I would like to believe that 60% to 75% go to DC with the purest intent to represent their constituents.
In Reality it is probably 50% or lower.

Washington DC is corrupt and will turn the best intents into a total money grab that serves the politician.
Creating a personal agenda, party line affiliation and abandoning their primary reason for being there.
The Result is Self Service before constituents.

Reagan got eaten up by it as time wore on, the only thing that saved him was the fact he had a competent staff that was more aligned with what the Country Needed at the time.
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The only reason I threw in Clinton was he knew how to wheel and deal like politicians of old. Same thing with Reagan. "I want your horse and I'll give you two pigs for it... okay two pigs and a gallon of shine and you throw in a batch of your mama's cookies as well" kind of deals.

Everyone likes to think Newt backed Clinton in a corner, but Clinton got things he wanted in that deal as well. Both were good statesmen in that regard.
 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
Hmm ... interesting and thought provoking question. After pondering only moments, in my lifetime and voting lifetime absolutely none are worthy of those titles, the only 2 that could even be considered candidates IMO are Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter. How sad is that? Before my lifetime, maybe Eisenhower.

The true and most reasonable answer IMO is George Washington and John Adams.

Yes #1 and #2. If my opinion of history is accurate they all get a little sketchy after that.
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For me, Jimmy Carter on the personal side. The man, not the politician, is exemplary.

Hard for me to identify a recent political statesman.
 
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JOEY’S ALL VOL !!! said:
I was serious when I said if his mouth is open he’s lying. You ever listen to his few press conferences when he gets off cue? Geez .... it would take me 2 months of Sundays to type em all, but if you really need some examples here is a just a few to get you started.

I marched with Nelson Mandela.
I finished at the top of my class in law school.
Gas prices were over 4 dollars a gallon when I took office.
Under my administration, health care costs have been drastically reduced.
The average teacher or firefighter pays more in income taxes than any billionaire.
This economy is now booming under my administration.
Our Afghanistan withdrawal was nearly perfect and a huge success.
A lousy drunk driving trucker killed my wife.
I know nothing of my son Hunters business dealings and he and I never ever discussed them.
The United States will be completely independent of fossil fuels in 10 years.
More manufacturing jobs were created under mine and Barak Obama’s administration than ever under Donald Trumps.
Of course the majority of Americans approve of my administration’s performance.
My son Hunter is the smartest man I know.
I believe all women should be believed.
I know how to deal with Vladimir Putin, he won’t push the envelope with us.
Take home wages have increased under my administration.



This list could literally go on forever.
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All these leftist crtbabies ignore all his lies and the media doesn't fact check them. And in the outside chance Trump does get elected you'll see all these fact checkers gear back up.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The only reason I threw in Clinton was he knew how to wheel and deal like politicians of old. Same thing with Reagan. "I want your horse and I'll give you two pigs for it... okay two pigs and a gallon of shine and you throw in a batch of your mama's cookies as well" kind of deals.

Everyone likes to think Newt backed Clinton in a corner, but Clinton got things he wanted in that deal as well. Both were good statesmen in that regard.
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You are so right. look at Clinton addressing immigration.... the two Presidents you mentioned are my favorites. The reason is because both were in Charge and HMFs to deal with. They would get deals cut across party lines for the benefit of the Nation. Niether were hesitant to tell you what they were thinking. You block their paths and their reply was you better move, lead or you can follow because this is where we are headed. Decisive
 
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Sudden Impact said:
You are so right. look at Clinton addressing immigration.... the two Presidents you mentioned are my favorites. The reason is because both were in Charge and HMFs to deal with. They would get deals cut across party lines for the benefit of the Nation. Niether were hesitant to tell you what they were thinking. You block their paths and their reply was you better move, lead or you can follow because this is where we are headed. Decisive
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The issue though was the baggage Clinton brought with him. It really was a time of change and his antics were really part of a bygone era.

He compromised enough he would be shunned by the DNC today if he wasn't so popular when he left office.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The only reason I threw in Clinton was he knew how to wheel and deal like politicians of old. Same thing with Reagan. "I want your horse and I'll give you two pigs for it... okay two pigs and a gallon of shine and you throw in a batch of your mama's cookies as well" kind of deals.

Everyone likes to think Newt backed Clinton in a corner, but Clinton got things he wanted in that deal as well. Both were good statesmen in that regard.
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I have a different definition for statesmen. Which to be honest, is probably over-idealized and unrealistic
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Alternatively, Trump’s continued relevance is because people continue to make defending or supporting him painless by blaming his continued support on “the left” rather than those who continue to support him.

He’s not actually defensible, at this point. Maybe if those who wanted something better stopped turning a blind eye to the uncritical acceptance of him leaning in on January 6 and the Access Hollywood tapes, then maybe there wouldn’t be so many willing sycophants.
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Or maybe if the left practiced what they preached and called for the indictment of a known inside trader, and a current POTUS and his son for illegal and corrupt activity that makes the former look like a boy scout. Maybe then Trump supporters would move on.
 
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