Coach Hype Monday Presser

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#151
BigorangeBoy said:
247 quotes Beasley as saying they (the team) were affected by whatever transpired.
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IF that is truly the case then that is pathetic, you play to have a chance to get in the playoffs and throw it down the drain because you disagree with an altercation? This team has been weak mentally for years so I guess it’s expected
 
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sami said:
It just doesn't benefit anyone to air team issues publicly, and I don't know how legalized betting gives fans any more right to know what's going on in the locker room than at any other time. If fans want to bet money or place outsized importance on the result of college football games that's their issue, not the coach's.
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Injury information is important to bettors. I don’t wager myself, but letting the betting public know whether they’re injured or what is important. I just don’t like the ambiguity. If you aren’t going to release it, just say you aren’t going to comment.
Somehow the media leaked that he was injured at first. They should just say “available” or “in”. But I’m not arguing. I hear what’s being said.
 
#153
#153
sami said:
I'll never understand playing coverage on 3rd or 4th and forever. Long routes take time to develop, and bringing pressure and forcing the ball out of the QB's hand early rarely if ever fails, yet DC's keep going to the 'rush 3 and drop 8 in a zone' garbage that fails so often in those spots. Force them to dump it underneath and then tackle.

Before the play I'm saying "bring the house", and as soon as it was clear they were playing coverage I turned to my wife and said "watch, first down". The way Rattler was playing, it was like shooting fish in a barrel.
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If they are already completing EVERYTHING, what are you afraid of with blitzing? If you even get to the qb a handful of times, you are still ahead of where you were. They scored TDS on 9 of 10 possessions!!!! Heaven forbid that we don’t cover an open receiver on a blitz or something
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landscapingvol said:
IF that is truly the case then that is pathetic, you play to have a chance to get in the playoffs and throw it down the drain because you disagree with an altercation? This team has been weak mentally for years so I guess it’s expected
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No other team does this kind of nonsense with a chance at the playoffs. Pathetic! Time for a defensive housecleaning in the off-season.
 
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Orangepantsforever said:
We pay to watch it and they all get paid. It’s legal to put down money on it now, just like the pros. There is some debate about being able to know what’s going on. It’s no longer a topic that just “can’t be touched”. Not arguing with you, just pointing it out. No one HAS to say anything. But big money is being passed around in it nowadays in the world of college sports, so transparency is on the table.
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If something happens in the locker room or practice in the NFL, you'll seldom hear about it directly. If Knoxville DID actually have journalists who are more than typists, we might hear smatterings of truth. Knoxville doesn't.

NFL markets have actual journalists with actual connections getting paid real money to ferret things out and you still don't hear much.

The money in the NFL dwarfs NCAA football and the journalists looking for scoops are like roaches in a landfill but I bet we still wouldn't hear much about internal discipline matters from the NFL.

The big money in Vegas and in the owners boxes might know things but not the fans.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Not sure why he needs transparency at all. If it has been handled and taken care of, why does he owe anyone in the media or fanbase an explanation?

I've never understood why fans have this entitlement to know everything that happens in the locker room.

If Hype says its handled and taken care of, that should be good enough for the village idiots.
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Perhaps you're satisfied with Heupel's non-answer re: the Banks-Hooker-Milton altercations at his 11-21-22 presser. I'm not.

The way player NIL's are structured and the cost of a single game ticket means fans are now more invested in the players and the program...that's why. No explanation re: the Banks-Hooker-Milton saga leaves more questions than answers. The on- and off-field issues have been neither confirmed nor denied by players, staff or Heupel and remain unresolved.

Maybe they will be by Saturday.
 
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Smokymtnbullet said:
Wrong when team rules are broken players should be held accountable or we will relive the Dooley/Jones eras all over again
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This is true about rules mattering, but the other guy isn’t wrong either. Enforce your rules, and if people are upset and not preparing correctly, you still are responsible for getting them to understand their responsibilities and priorities. The coaches did not get the team ready to play their best by game day. There were reasons, but there are always reason a team performs poorly. It’s still their job to get the best out of the athletes they play on game day.
 
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Don
JoeBob said:
Perhaps you're satisfied with Heupel's non-answer re: the Banks-Hooker-Milton altercations at his 11-21-22 presser. I'm not.

Looking in your own mirror would be a good way to start to understand the definition of idiot.

The way player NIL's are structured and the cost of a single game ticket means fans are now more invested in the players and the program...that's why. No explanation re: the Banks-Hooker-Milton saga leaves more questions than answers. The on- and off-field issues have been neither confirmed nor denied by players, staff or Heupel and remain unresolved.

Maybe they will be by Saturday.
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Dont buy tickets! There, problem
Solved
 
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landscapingvol said:
Nope, and I can assure you other teams don’t always agree with altercations that occurs
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To lay down over what almost amounts to a big load of nothing is dumb. Why would anyone want to hurt their draft stock or chances at future NIL sponsorships over a silly squabble?
 
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Stephen Gray said:
Eh, maybe or maybe not. It really depends on the what’s and whys and how far the fighting went before it was dealt with. These are big boys who are use to dealing with things physically. It’s not ideal and some kind of punishment needs to happen if players are fighting, but I don’t think a fight between players should be an automatic dismissal. If the coaches can make the involved know that what happened is unacceptable, hold them accountable, and get everyone focused on doing the right things for the team without kicking people out, that is better for everyone in my opinion. If they need to be dismissed, then sure, do it, but it’s not the kind of thing to do if there is a better way forward.
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With everything I heard about the NIL , grades and the fisticuffs and the offense vs defense rift. A big yes. If it is all true.
 
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#167
How about letting the coaches and AD handle things. That’s what they are paid to do. I will trust them to nip this in the bud, at least give them a chance. If they chose to keep it in house so be it. The field performance will tell the tale. GBO!!!!
 
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Stephen Gray said:
Honestly that 3rd and 20 gave me flashbacks to 3rd and Chavis. It’s not really a fair comparison because Chavis defenses were a lot better than what we have now, but that is definitely what passed through my mind before the snap. I just felt for sure we were going to get torched.
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That's the last play I watched, remeber thinking 3rd and 20, they have us right where they want us...and sure enough, wide open 25 yards downfield. That was IT for me!!!!!
 
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Stephen Gray said:
This is true about rules mattering, but the other guy isn’t wrong either. Enforce your rules, and if people are upset and not preparing correctly, you still are responsible for getting them to understand their responsibilities and priorities. The coaches did not get the team ready to play their best by game day. There were reasons, but there are always reason a team performs poorly. It’s still their job to get the best out of the athletes they play on game day.
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If you've spent time in a locker room you'll agree that player on player, coach on coach, or even player on coach disagreements happen. Consequences can be from firing for a coach or dismissal for a player to getting called in to the head coach's office for a hard discussion (read: a good butt chewing) to a few side by side up and downs for the fighters to late night drinks and conversation for the coaches to a game suspension.

Things happen. Rules are rules but there are only a few "do this and you're toast" transgressions when you have a group of guys who are trained to be aggressive and spend a good deal of time hitting each other.

Something happened with Banks, for sure. The cascade of whatever that was and whatever the consequences were seems to have left the team, particularly the D, out of sync. Many of us ALSO noted Hooker didn't seem very crisp and effective either during the game.

Whatever went on and whatever came of it wasn't well received by the team and they didn't move on from it. What and why? We won't know. Heupel said as much in the presser, Banks said as much on social media.

Unless someone on the team decides to go rogue and spill it and likely get booted from the team, all we know is that the team wasn't the happy-go-lucky, Hooker on the sidelines encouraging and leading, defense showing composure, offense executing at a very high level TN team we have seen.

Speculate all you want and I have, we aren't going to know what created the disaster Saturday.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If something happens in the locker room or practice in the NFL, you'll seldom hear about it directly. If Knoxville DID actually have journalists who are more than typists, we might hear smatterings of truth. Knoxville doesn't.

NFL markets have actual journalists with actual connections getting paid real money to ferret things out and you still don't hear much.

The money in the NFL dwarfs NCAA football and the journalists looking for scoops are like roaches in a landfill but I bet we still wouldn't hear much about internal discipline matters from the NFL.

The big money in Vegas and in the owners boxes might know things but not the fans.
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It’ll come out in time. I’m just aggravated like everyone else, I suppose. I do hope that if there’s any merit to any of the rumor, the troublemakers will just go on. Let someone who’s proud to be out there play.
 
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#171
Orange_Vol1321 said:
Because the defense clearly protested him not being allowed to play and mailed it in. That tells me they didn't agree with the decision or the punishment.

Edit - And if it isn't fixed we will get throttled this week too.
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So one hothead defensive player dictates the Vols' future? Lol.
 
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#175
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If you've spent time in a locker room you'll agree that player on player, coach on coach, or even player on coach disagreements happen. Consequences can be from firing for a coach or dismissal for a player to getting called in to the head coach's office for a hard discussion (read: a good butt chewing) to a few side by side up and downs for the fighters to late night drinks and conversation for the coaches to a game suspension.

Things happen. Rules are rules but there are only a few "do this and you're toast" transgressions when you have a group of guys who are trained to be aggressive and spend a good deal of time hitting each other.

Something happened with Banks, for sure. The cascade of whatever that was and whatever the consequences were seems to have left the team, particularly the D, out of sync. Many of us ALSO noted Hooker didn't seem very crisp and effective either during the game.

Whatever went on and whatever came of it wasn't well received by the team and they didn't move on from it. What and why? We won't know. Heupel said as much in the presser, Banks said as much on social media.

Unless someone on the team decides to go rogue and spill it and likely get booted from the team, all we know is that the team wasn't the happy-go-lucky, Hooker on the sidelines encouraging and leading, defense showing composure, offense executing at a very high level TN team we have seen.

Speculate all you want and I have, we aren't going to know what created the disaster Saturday.
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I don’t disagree with any of that. I’d be surprised if there were many rules with getting kicked off the team a known and mandatory consequence. In general, rules exist for a reason and need to be enforced. Punishments though can and should often have some flexibility in how they are given.

All I was trying to say in the above is rules may matter, but the coaching staff failed to fix things and get everyone ready to play right by game day. Both of those things can be true. Yeah whatever the root causes, some players hold some accountability, but so does the staff for letting things get into that state.

I also agree that we won’t know what happened, and actually think we probably shouldn’t. How does that help them fix anything? I wouldn’t even be surprised if the real reasons are not close to what are being speculated. Plenty of rumors from people with supposed sources have turned out to be false.

Regardless, whatever the reasons, the game is in the past. Most important thing at this point is that they get past it and get to doing what they need to do to be their best moving forward.
 
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