Coach Kellie Harper

Do you want Coach Harper to return or hire new Coach?


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Yes like shes struggled to recruit at every stop shes had and now NIL is the reason LOL nahhhhh try again.

EXACTLY. That's why the "give her another year" "let's see how she does" approach just baffles me. We KNOW exactly who she is as a coach. 20 years of experience, ONE conference title and three sweet 16's in TWENTY years. There's no "next year" that will ever change the equation on who she is as a coach.
 
Every Vol fan likes Kellie. But she is going to have to step it up in recruiting and transfer portal. Their defense is not top notch in the SEC. I seen a lot of them just throw their hands up and the one they are defending is 5 feet from them. I do not know if some of them are just slow or what is going on. You do not see Dawn Staley's team being lazy. They will be sitting on the bench
We have too many players that are not just slow, but also not quick.

It's a potential match up & D breakdown problem when one is on the floor, it's a much bigger problem if more than one on the floor and the coach's D approach & players cannot compensate. Major WCBB has simply become a much more athletic player game...
I really like our players, their effort, but you can't hide what a challenge it is match up wise
 
First on the "performative thing," everyone, including Kellie staunchest critics should be well aware, that these 30 second TV snippets are not representative of what coaches do in the long build up to these games. In fact, pretty much all these televised scenes showed the coaches talking to their players in a relatively calm manner. There is a time for yelling, a time for rah rah, and a time for calm. Saying that this 30 second snippet proves that Kellie lacks passion or grit, is just dumb.

Second, I do understand “the fire Kellie” argument because the team did not match last seasons benchmarks. No movement forward with a “they don’t grow on trees” elite player is a problem. On the flipside, I was really struck by Kellie’s press conference where MMC told Kellie that the replay clearly showed that Moore’s TO came after the ball was in play. Kellie was visibly upset but, her main point was recalling the FL St game where she tried to call a TO, in a very similar situation, but did not get it, leading to a game losing TO.

If you go back to the missed double dribble at the end of the SC game, that is two final, big losses, that likely turned on a bad call.

The LVs had the most woulda, coulda, shoulda season ever. Had just a little luck gone their way in these last 2 losses, the narrative would have been entirely different. As Kellie, they were 2 wins away from being a host site, which would have made their path forward much easier.

Of course, athletics is a “close but no cigar” endeavor and, to use analogy, drowning 100 feet from the shore leads to the same outcome as drowning a mile out but, you still have to appreciate and recognize the effort to get that close.

Kellie’s best coaching outcome was keeping this team together and competing to the very end whereas her predecessor had a team destroyed by in fighting (both literal and figurative0. Her ability to maintain a team under adverse conditions will probably the main reason she survives this disappointing season.

Worth noting that Cora Hall is writing as through Kellie is back next season as well.

Looking forward, I keep forgetting about T. Cooper!! She was exactly the kind of guard that the LVs needed to match up with up with Sainya Rivers. One more quality, athletic guard in the mix and Kellie’s “coaching” suddenly gets a whole lot better.

Spear, Boyd, Cooper, Wells, Key, Puckett, Darby, Wynn, Hollingshead, and Striplin (assuming all come back) is not a bad core. A PG, a quality post, and one more athletic guard would make for a competitive team. No matter what, Boyd and Cooper will need to deliver.

For Kellie it is now or never and next season looks like a tougher road ahead.
 
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They don’t like Kara cause she spoke up and apparently pulled a “race” card in their eyes! She’s beneath the university now and has burned all her bridges apparently. Whatever she does at Duke will be met with disdain by some….catch the discourse.

I don’t like Kara because her offense is atrocious. At least her teams are consistently competitive on the defensive end. But I can’t take another Lady Vol anyway.

I’m at a point where I think it needs to be someone out of the Tennessee pool, probably a man and we should rebrand and do away with “Lady Vols.”

It’s time to be “Tennessee Women’s Basketball” the best way to honor the past is with a winning tradition. Not with a name, colors or brands. I would do away with all that day 1 except for Coach Summitt’s name on the court.

It’s time the program moves on and quits being a mausoleum to the past.
 
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My swing for the fences type of hire

1. Dawn Staley. I think the article this year about pay her $5 million and watch her restore the program had some legit reasons why she could be interested.

2. Becky Hammond- makes $1million a year with the Las Vegas aces. Does she want to leave the WBNA? We could triple her salary and see.

Would immediately elevate the program above where it is today:

1. Lindsay Gottlieb
2. Cori Close
3. Nikki Collen
4. Jeff Walz
5. Lisa Fortier
6. Rick Insell
7. Yolett McPhee-McCuin
8. Teri Moren

Who could replicate her current success but probably be fired in 5 years too:

1. Bill Fennelly
2 Kara Lawson
3-35. Any sitting P5 coach at a school currently in the big dance.










He's only been at West Virginia for one year but I would add Mark Kellogg to the list, he has been very successful every where he has coached.
 
We have too many players that are not just slow, but also not quick.

It's a potential match up & D breakdown problem when one is on the floor, it's a much bigger problem if more than one on the floor and the coach's D approach & players cannot compensate. Major WCBB has simply become a much more athletic player game...
I really like our players, their effort, but you can't hide what a challenge it is match up wise
It's clear as day. The LVs appear to out of shape compared to better teams. Do they spend much time running, weight room, etc?
 
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Off topic but I wonder if Virginia Tech tries to steal Poppie from Clemson, he was an assistant there for 5 years and associate head coach before he took the Chattanooga job.
 
Both true statements. You can extrapolate out from his coaching record, that the job he would have done at TN would have been equal (at a minimum) to what he did at Tech. He probably would have done it much sooner than at Tech given the increased resources, brand, etc of the Lady Vols.
yes dont know what to say on STANDARDS at UT they have come down the last dozen years people here on forum are always excited and want more yet athletic dept is happy the way things have been and are at present
 
John Adam’s saying even a Sweet 16 won’t save her next year.

That makes no sense. If you’re going to fire her for making a sweet 16 next year, what in the world are we doing keeping her.
Adams is an idiot. He should go back to the Land of LSU.... He ain't from around here. He needs to go home.
 
It's clear as day. The LVs appear to out of shape compared to better teams. Do they spend much time running, weight room, etc?
It’s more of the work u need to do when not with the team, it’s easy to do team workout, but u need to watch your eating habits and put in the work on your time as well, and I don’t think certain players do that but I won’t say any names. I’ll wait to see if the work is put in this year.
 
This (and the last couple of pages) triggered the memory I had of the discussion of whether or not we should fire Fulmer in 2008. We had data on Fulmer, but no evidence either way of the second option. Be careful of the path you choose. It's a gamble either way.
But look at who did the hiring and firing... Much different today than back then.
 
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We’ve given Kellie FIVE years already, dude.

Kenny Brooks will win more games in Year 1 at Kentucky than Kellie will in Year 6 here. Book it. They’ll beat us too.
NCST only gave her 4 years before firing her. Hope DW will hire us a winner. The girls deserve a better coaching staff.
 
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First on the "performative thing," everyone, including Kellie staunchest critics should be well aware, that these 30 second TV snippets are not representative of what coaches do in the long build up to these games. In fact, pretty much all these televised scenes showed the coaches talking to their players in a relatively calm manner. There is a time for yelling, a time for rah rah, and a time for calm. Saying that this 30 second snippet proves that Kellie lacks passion or grit, is just dumb.

Second, I do understand “the fire Kellie” argument because the team did not match last seasons benchmarks. No movement forward with a “they don’t grow on trees” elite player is a problem. On the flipside, I was really struck by Kellie’s press conference where MMC told Kellie that the replay clearly showed that Moore’s TO came after the ball was in play. Kellie was visibly upset but, her main point was recalling the FL St game where she tried to call a TO, in a very similar situation, but did not get it, leading to a game losing TO.

If you go back to the missed double dribble at the end of the SC game, that is two final, big losses, that likely turned on a bad call.

The LVs had the most woulda, coulda, shoulda season ever. Had just a little luck gone their way in these last 2 losses, the narrative would have been entirely different. As Kellie, they were 2 wins away from being a host site, which would have made their path forward much easier.

Of course, athletics is a “close but no cigar” endeavor and, to use analogy, drowning 100 feet from the shore leads to the same outcome as drowning a mile out but, you still have to appreciate and recognize the effort to get that close.

Kellie’s best coaching outcome was keeping this team together and competing to the very end whereas her predecessor had a team destroyed by in fighting (both literal and figurative0. Her ability to maintain a team under adverse conditions will probably the main reason she survives this disappointing season.

Worth noting that Cora Hall is writing as through Kellie is back next season as well.

Looking forward, I keep forgetting about T. Cooper!! She was exactly the kind of guard that the LVs needed to match up with up with Sainya Rivers. One more quality, athletic guard in the mix and Kellie’s “coaching” suddenly gets a whole lot better.

Spear, Boyd, Cooper, Wells, Key, Puckett, Darby, Wynn, Hollingshead, and Striplin (assuming all come back) is not a bad core. A PG, a quality post, and one more athletic guard would make for a competitive team. No matter what, Boyd and Cooper will need to deliver.

For Kellie it is now or never and next season looks like a tougher road ahead.
You do realize that the core you mentioned didn’t help in yesterdays game. You can’t build a team with slow players. You need athleticism to compete today. That core of girls will not win more than 12 games next year. Did you see what the team looked like when Rickea was out not good. Cooper might be good but she now is are only player with athleticism. Kellie prolly won’t play Boyd next year.
 
You do realize that the core you mentioned didn’t help in yesterdays game. You can’t build a team with slow players. You need athleticism to compete today. That core of girls will not win more than 12 games next year. Did you see what the team looked like when Rickea was out not good. Cooper might be good but she now is are only player with athleticism. Kellie prolly won’t play Boyd next year.
I’m the kind of person that says bring in the players we need and don’t worry about feelings, if these players want to play next year they need to put in the work and earn their spot, like Kim Mulkey said she plays the players she needs to win and that’s what we need to do
 
You need athleticism to compete today. That core of girls will not win more than 12 games next year. D
It's more than just athleticism. We went down that rabbit hole before. It's the combo of athleticism with actual bball skills that's so hard to find. Usually only found in the top 25 end of the pool, where we don't fish very well.
 
You do realize that the core you mentioned didn’t help in yesterdays game. You can’t build a team with slow players. You need athleticism to compete today. That core of girls will not win more than 12 games next year. Did you see what the team looked like when Rickea was out not good. Cooper might be good but she now is are only player with athleticism. Kellie prolly won’t play Boyd next year.
Iowa is not more athletic. In fact they are less so than the LVs. But, they have a transcendent player surrounded by excellent shooters.

Indiana made the s16 and again the LVs can certainly match them on the athletic side.

On nights when the LVs hit their 3s, they can beat anyone and making shots lets their team defense get set. The problem is that they had too many nights when they could not hit the side of a barn.

I think your crystal might have a crack if you think Kellie won't play Boyd. She is not Pissott.
 
You know it’s desperation mode for the Kellie supporters when the main line of defense for keeping her is a 2025 and 2027 commit.
I’m actually not a Kelly supporter, I just want to know who do people want and if they are ok with losing recruits because of it.
 
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Iowa is not more athletic. In fact they are less so than the LVs. But, they have a transcendent player surrounded by excellent shooters.

Indiana made the s16 and again the LVs can certainly match them on the athletic side.

On nights when the LVs hit their 3s, they can beat anyone and making shots lets their team defense get set. The problem is that they had too many nights when they could not hit the side of a barn.

I think your crystal might have a crack if you think Kellie won't play Boyd. She is not Pissott.
Do you think it’s also some system adjustments that cover for a team’s lack of speed and athleticism too? I wouldn’t say Clark is a great defensive player though she is transcendental on the offensive side,, yet the team seems to hold decent teams to at least less than what they are scoring. Indiana is another team that I think the system they run seems to help them cover for shortcomings.
 
I’m actually not a Kelly supporter, I just want to know who do people want and if they are ok with losing recruits because of it.

That’s easy. Yes, most of us who want her gone are more than willing to lose players to get rid of an underperforming coach, especially when those players are 1-3 years down the road. I’m even fine losing players on the current roster. What we’re bringing back will be a bubble team at best, so what if we lose them? Make a decent hire and a we can bring in comparable, if not better, players for next season.

As far as who we hire, I’m not sure. I don’t know who would be interested and who wouldn’t be. That’s not my job. I just know that it’s poor decision making to keep going down a path that isn’t working and expect things to get better.
 
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