Coach Kellie Harper

[xtpsrh08123]

No u aren’t bc u said those programs didn’t fall off and we had no success… but we did under Holly just like Vic Ivey etc until we didn’t… those coaches aren’t further along than Holly was post Pat

No i said why didnt our transfer of power not go as smooth as the other . Dont put words in my mouth saying we had NO success wth shut up .

 

[VolFuture]

Holly had us in a better place for majority of her tenure based of pat left overs same as she gave Kellie and kellie did worst than holly imo.

Bros over here proving my point and still can’t understand… didn’t watch much the last few Holly years did u

 

[xtpsrh08123]

So still nothing as far as congrats on the season from AD yet ? ................

 

[VolFuture]

No i said why didnt our transfer of power not go as smooth as the other . Dont put words in my mouth saying we had NO success wth shut up .

It’s as good as tho other schools

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Bros over here proving my point and still can’t understand… didn’t watch much the last few Holly years did u

I did thats why francis got the boot lol she had leftovers and did great the first 3 years and then we saw the true warlick lol same as Holly leaving Kellie some top notch recruits which is probably why she got those 2 extensions when shes started and now we see the true Kellie Jolly....you should take a nap lol . You dont get your own points lol

 

[VolFuture]

I think someone is going to need to also take into consideration 2025 with this portal class. We have three on roster players and one recruit eligible to return for 2025. If we sign two players with two years that gets you up to six players. So a lot of freshmen or more portal players has to be the answer to have a big enough roster in 2025

Well hopefully there’s a slew of younger girls who are willing to wait or can develop and beat the others out (granted the staff allows that to happen)

Although I don’t trust many of the player opinions on this board

 

[xtpsrh08123]

It’s as good as tho other schools

It is ? LOOK WHERE WE ARE TODAY and WHERE THEY ARE NOTRE DAME is recruiting TOP TALENT still and Contenders STILL , LSU got a winning coach and won a title in less than 800 days later LOL. Baylor picked up a pro coach and now they're on the verge of an elite 8 and attracting TOP RECRUITS AS WELL AS TOP TRANSFERS . WAKE UP PLEASE LORD .

 

[VolFuture]

It is ? LOOK WHERE WE ARE TODAY and WHERE THEY ARE NOTRE DAME is recruiting TOP TALENT still and Contenders STILL , LSU got a winning coach and won a title in less than 800 days later LOL. Baylor picked up a pro coach and now they're in the elite 8 and attracting TOP RECRUITS AS WELL AS TOP TRANSFERS . WAKE UP PLEASE LORD .

Womp womp bro can’t understand years. And do a basic comparison of equal timelines.
I’m done. U literally think everyone retired or was fired the same year Pat did apparently

 

[Ghost of A Melon]

Still no reason to assume Kellie is fired April 1…

But again there are only “realistically” about 3 coaches I would accept if u do change

And we would have to spend the bank upwards of 2mil a year if KB is getting 1.8ish a year at UK.

People who are not connected to basketball but who are connected to sports are looking at TN's early exit and wondering what the hell is being run through Knoxville.

I'll just have to watch as the story unfolds. I'm hoping for one more SEC coaching ouster (non-TN), an ACC ass kicked to the curb, and a couple of wild assistant hires along the way.

If/when Kellie goes, I can see JR Payne as a fit here. Mainly because of the lack of allegiances, ie, no seeming agenda other than basketball and building. That would work well for the TN vision imo.

Free Kellie
Free them all
Let the girls play basketball!

 

[madtownvol]

It’s def drama and Knoxnews stirring for clicks so conspiracy theorist have something to talk about…

Since I want Kellie to get one more shot next season, I really hope you are correct.

However, Cora is the LV beat reporter and institutional relationships are important to that role. So, I don't think we see this story unless she knows a change is pending.

Going back to the preseason, I conjectured that if the LVs did not at least match last season's results (top 3 in conference and S16) that could trigger a change. Kellie just did not have enough wins in the bank to withstand a regression. Yes, she has had injuries and some bad luck but teams and coaches at this level are expected to overcome those challenges.

Honestly, her moment was last season with Rickea and Jordan (and yes Key was out and the PG position was still a little weak but Jordan Walker was decent enough). Two elite players should have made the LVs much more dangerous than they were. They ended well enough-- SEC conference final and the S16 but then Amoore goes off for 29 (It wasn't even Kitley that did the real damage).

I think Kellie will be the "if only.." coach...

 

[VolFuture]

People who are not connected to basketball but who are connected to sports are looking at TN's early exit and wondering what the hell is being run through Knoxville.

I'll just have to watch as the story unfolds. I'm hoping for one more SEC coaching ouster (non-TN), an ACC ass kicked to the curb, and a couple of wild assistant hires along the way.

If/when Kellie goes, I can see JR Payne as a fit here. Mainly because of the lack of allegiances, ie, no seeming agenda other than basketball and building. That would work well for the TN vision imo.

Free Kellie
Free them all
Let the girls play basketball!

I love her… but I don’t think she’ll satisfy the recruiting itch people have here. She’s a long term builder. A valuer of hard work over hype and rank. That doesn’t satisfy the McDAA crowd here

I’m am in the sports world lol and I’m hearing so much different than this board lmao

 

[VolFuture]

Since I want Kellie to get one more shot next season, I really hope you are correct.

However, Cora is the LV beat reporter and institutional relationships are important to that role. So, I don't think we see this story unless she knows a change is pending.

Going back to the preseason, I conjectured that if the LVs did not at least match last season's results (top 3 in conference and S16) that could trigger a change. Kellie just did not have enough wins in the bank to withstand a regression. Yes, she has had injuries and some bad luck but teams and coaches at this level are expected to overcome those challenges.

Honestly, her moment was last season with Rickea and Jordan (and yes Key was out and the PG position was still a little weak but Jordan Walker was decent enough). Two elite players should have made the LVs much more dangerous than they were. They ended well enough-- SEC conference final and the S16 but then Amoore goes off for 29 (It wasn't even Kitley that did the real damage).

I think Kellie will be the "if only.." coach...

Well all I’m gonna say is y’all wasting so much breath. Cora isn’t as involved as u think. She throw speculation out just as much as the next…

She may be wondering y there hasn’t been a closure to the season as well and created this theory.

 

[VolFuture]

Does anyone know Kellie’s Adjusted win/loss vs AP

Like who we played or beat that was in the final poll but not when we played them

Colorado comes to mind but Kellie doesn’t get a “ranked” win over them bc of timing

 

[VolFuture]

Does anyone know Kellie’s Adjusted win/loss vs AP

Like who we played or beat that was in the final poll but not when we played them

Colorado comes to mind but Kellie doesn’t get a “ranked” win over them bc of timing

I might deep dive here if I have time

 

[glv98]

If anything, I know I’m in the minority, I pray we go away from having a Rickea type player. Im sorry but it doesn’t get us far..

Yes by all means, if by a miracle there's a Rickea type player out there let's avoid her at all cost.

That seems bass-ackwards to me. Our problem wasn't having a Rickea type player, it was the lack of consistent players around her. Problem wasn't Batman, it was the times (like almost every big loss) that Robin failed to show.

Earl seems to be telling us that NIL dollars are finally starting to flow. So it would be exactly KJH luck to get fired right as that finally happens. Which means some mid major 'hope she does better' coach will come in, start getting players, and we'll never, ever hear the end of 'told you it was never NIL'.

I thought for sure KJH would get another year, still think that, but I swear I almost want to see her go both to end the misery for her and her family and bc her luck is so bad it's actually scary.

 

[LasVegasBill23]

We should be a better program and a better team than Duke, UNC, Va. Tech, Indiana, Iowa and all the programs that have won nothing
in WBB while we have eight national titles. Harper and her staff SHOULD be capitalizing and leveraging on our pedigree, on our tradition--just as, on the men's side, UNC, Duke, Kansas and UConn capitalize and leverage their tradition year and year. She hasn't.

And if Harper can't take advantage of our pedigree, then we need to find a coach who can. Yes, we squandered some of our program cachet during the Warlick years--made a bad hire--and perhaps that has made climbing back up the ladder more challenging. But the tradition and pedigree are still there; they haven't gone anywhere. The banners still hang from the ceiling. The tradition is an asset that other programs don't have, and we need a coach who can take advantage of it, make something of it. That was the goal, and should have been the goal, when Harper was hired. But there's been almost no real progress. We lose to almost every quality team we play. Are we supposed to be pleased that she has done about the same as Lawson at Duke--a relatively inexperienced coach at a program with no tradition? That would be like fans of the Kansas men's program being pleased that their coach as done as well as the relatively new coach at Mississippi State. A lower perfornance level over the last many years should not lower expections or our standard. We muddle along, year after year. We're an also-ran, and that should not be acceptable.

good post yes we should be better than duke unc va tech indiana and iowa but in reality they have leapfrogged us over the past 16 years we have done nothing and i hear the voices now what about couple of elite 8s and sweet 16s not good enough for me

we have tradition yes we do but what happens if you do not keep momentum going what happens if you dont care about reaching the natty pinnacle again..... than you only have the banners in the rafters to admire

this is what happened to Indiana mens basketball perhaps not the best coaching hires lip service from the athletic dept so no championships since 1987 37 years nobody fears indiana when they come into your building how about louisville men? they got rid of kenny payne was he the best they could get? louisville wants to be known as a blue blood yet hasnt won a title in 38 years (forfeited 2013 due to ineligible player)

notre dame football has not won championship in 36 years BUT different situation ND competes at highest level every year and is relevant nobody can argue that great coaching recruits etc

So where are we the Lady Vols? well we need to be committed we need to get good coaching followed by good recruiting.... otherwise we will be like Old Dominion immaculata delta staTE or army football from years ago banners in the rafters yes but tradition should mean more than that

 

[VolBall09]

People who are not connected to basketball but who are connected to sports are looking at TN's early exit and wondering what the hell is being run through Knoxville.

I'll just have to watch as the story unfolds. I'm hoping for one more SEC coaching ouster (non-TN), an ACC ass kicked to the curb, and a couple of wild assistant hires along the way.

If/when Kellie goes, I can see JR Payne as a fit here. Mainly because of the lack of allegiances, ie, no seeming agenda other than basketball and building. That would work well for the TN vision imo.

Free Kellie
Free them all
Let the girls play basketball!

Love JR, I live in Colorado and have watched her teams play live many times. She has a really nice program. I’m not certain she’s an upgrade over Kellie though. I don’t think our brand is strong enough to recruit on name alone anymore.

To me that means if we make a change it likely has to be a big name like Dawn or Becky Hammon who will immediately attract top talent personally. Not because they are at the University of Tennessee.

 

[madtownvol]

Yes by all means, if by a miracle there's a Rickea type player out there let's avoid her at all cost.

That seems bass-ackwards to me. Our problem wasn't having a Rickea type player, it was the lack of consistent players around her. Problem wasn't Batman, it was the times (like almost every big loss) that Robin failed to show.

Earl seems to be telling us that NIL dollars are finally starting to flow. So it would be exactly KJH luck to get fired right as that finally happens. Which means some mid major 'hope she does better' coach will come in, start getting players, and we'll never, ever hear the end of 'told you it was never NIL'.

I thought for sure KJH would get another year, still think that, but I swear I almost want to see her go both to end the misery for her and her family and bc her luck is so bad it's actually scary.

On a site, loaded with many bad hot takes, "we should avoid recruiting WNBA caliber players" may be the winner.

So, many mixed messages on this board -- the Cora Hall story versus Earlvol reporting that NIL help is on the way. I had assumed that the latter meant, "okay let's see what KJH can really do on a level NIL playing field" and hopefully it still does. I just wonder if the Brooks hire at KY did not change the landscape in a world where you either are moving forward or going back,

I am sure Kellie tunes out the noise. I just hope her kids don't get grief from their classmates.

 

[VolFuture]

Yes by all means, if by a miracle there's a Rickea type player out there let's avoid her at all cost.

That seems bass-ackwards to me. Our problem wasn't having a Rickea type player, it was the lack of consistent players around her. Problem wasn't Batman, it was the times (like almost every big loss) that Robin failed to show.

Earl seems to be telling us that NIL dollars are finally starting to flow. So it would be exactly KJH luck to get fired right as that finally happens. Which means some mid major 'hope she does better' coach will come in, start getting players, and we'll never, ever hear the end of 'told you it was never NIL'.

I thought for sure KJH would get another year, still think that, but I swear I almost want to see her go both to end the misery for her and her family and bc her luck is so bad it's actually scary.

Well i phrased poorly. I meant systemic reliance. Bc ur right the other players weren’t expected to be consistent in output. This is where I think Kellie has to grow the most as a coach.

Ofc I want them here and we should get them.. keep an eye on the portal bc we have movement. And Kellie and co are making moves

 

[VolFuture]

Love JR, I live in Colorado and have watched her teams play live many times. She has a really nice program. I’m not certain she’s an upgrade over Kellie though. I don’t think our brand is strong enough to recruit on name alone anymore.

To me that means if we make a change it likely has to be a big name like Dawn or Becky Hammon who will immediately attract top talent personally. Not because they are at the University of Tennessee.

This^^^ there’s literally like 3 candidates that make sense

 

[xtpsrh08123]

Womp womp bro can’t understand years. And do a basic comparison of equal timelines.
I’m done. U literally think everyone retired or was fired the same year Pat did apparently

no i think the standard has changed since pat retired/ passed you have to be a teenager i can tell you do not know or understand the true tennessee pedigree.

 

[VolFuture]

On a site, loaded with many bad hot takes, "we should lets avoid recruiting WNBA caliber players" may be the winner.

So, many mixed messages on this board -- the Cora Hall story versus Earlvol reporting that NIL help is on the way. I had assumed that the latter meant, "okay let's see what KJH can really do on a level NIL playing field" and hopefully it still does. I just wonder of the Brooks hire at KY did not change the landscape in a world where you either are moving forward or going back,

I am sure Kellie tunes out the noise. I just hope her kids don't get grief from their classmates.

Never said we shouldn’t recruit I said we should go away from reliance. I clarified later if people would actually keep reading

 

[Volfan2012]

On a site, loaded with many bad hot takes, "we should lets avoid recruiting WNBA caliber players" may be the winner.

So, many mixed messages on this board -- the Cora Hall story versus Earlvol reporting that NIL help is on the way. I had assumed that the latter meant, "okay let's see what KJH can really do on a level NIL playing field" and hopefully it still does. I just wonder of the Brooks hire at KY did not change the landscape in a world where you either are moving forward or going back,

I am sure Kellie tunes out the noise. I just hope her kids don't get grief from their classmates.

Maybe NIL help is on the way cause Kellie is being fired and that is the stipulation to supply NIL support. Just playing Devils Advocate.

 

[VolFuture]

no i think the standard has changed since pat retired/ passed you have to be a teenager i can tell you do not know or understand the true tennessee pedigree.

No I literally mean Vic Niele and co are all 4 years or less at their university

 

[madtownvol]

Well i phrased poorly. I meant systemic reliance. Bc ur right the other players weren’t expected to be consistent in output. This is where I think Kellie has to grow the most as a coach.

Ofc I want them here and we should get them.. keep an eye on the portal bc we have movement. And Kellie and co are making moves

I would say Kellie had the opposite problem. Her big failing was not being able to get the ball to RJ in clutch moments. Too many crucial possession came down to 5-6 Powell trying to hit a circus shot in the paint against 6-4 opposition. Rickea averaged 20 pts a game pretty much creating her own offense all season. She is the best offensive talent we have had since CP3, she should have been out Caitlin Clark.

Edit: Let me add, I do see your point. I think Kellie still has a democratic, share the ball mindset that works at a mid-major where you generally don't have game changing players. I think she is slowly transitioning away from that but it may have been too little too late.