Coach Martin named co coach of the year by Blue Ribbon

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boro_vol said:
Then honor Cal with recruiter of the year. I stand by my earlier statement--Martin is the better coach who exceeded expectations by a long shot; Cal's team did what they were supposed to do--win the SEC.
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Cal is one of the best coaches in the country. It's way too premature to say Martin is a better coach at this point.
 
#77
#77
If Cal doesn't win or atleast make the chsmpionship this year I can't say he's a great coach sorry.

He has to win some championships to be considered great IMO, and this is by far his best chance.

If they don't make the final gane as I said, I can not put great coach beside caliparis name.
 
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zansdad said:
You called that ONE dude that writes for a web site that half the sports world has probably never heard of would name coach Martin and Coach Calipari co-coaches of the year?

How very specific.
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There is this term out there called "facetious". Invest in a dictionary and make yourself less ignorant.
 
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JoseDaMofo said:
There is this term out there called "facetious". Invest in a dictionary and make yourself less ignorant.
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Who pulled your chain? And it's funny you brought up facetious. Since he was not being facetious and I was. Good call though. Also, since I am trying to look less ignorant, there is no need for the quotation marks in your sentence. There I feel smarter already.
 
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boro_vol said:
Then honor Cal with recruiter of the year. I stand by my earlier statement--Martin is the better coach who exceeded expectations by a long shot; Cal's team did what they were supposed to do--win the SEC.
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Better coach based on what? One goes undefeated and the other finishes 18-13 and 10-6 in the SEC, a full 6 games out of first place. UK finished undefeated in the conference with a winning margin 15.5 ppg. What the hell else do you want? Only let them play left-handed? You can't penalize Cal for having the best talent and you can't hold UK to a higher standard than the rest of the league just because Joe Schmoe says they should win lots of games.

There is more to coaching than just accumulating talent. It's not like Cal is coaching a hand-full of 8' tall perfected mechanical robots. These are 18-19 year old kids who make mistakes. They are still human. Managing the egos of 5 super-freshmen and blending them with egos of the first-round talent that stuck around to join them is no small task. There are only so many possessions to go around. Getting them to play team ball and check those egos at the bench is a mark of phenomenal coaching. Recruiting these classes that Cal has comes with a whole different set of challenges. If you can't see that, believe it, or accept it, I'm sorry, but it doesn't make it any less true.

Look at the Lakers when they had Shaq, Kobe, Gary Payton and Karl Malone. Blending that talent wasn't a walk in the park for maybe the greatest NBA coach of all time. Having the best talent doesn't equate to having the best team, and it takes a heck of a good coaching job to have each and every single player buy in to what you are trying to accomplish.

And it's not to take away from what Cuonzo Martin has done this year. He has done a fabulous coaching job. In any other year, he probably wins the award easily.

Undefeated is special, and is rewarded as such. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Cal is one of the best coaches in the country. It's way too premature to say Martin is a better coach at this point.
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I think Cal himself would not agree with this statement...Now his abilities to put together great talent is unquestioned...Cal still has A LOT to prove to say he's a great coach....But hey there's only a few Dean Smiths around who could coach AND recruit...so this is not a slam on Cal...Just an explanation...
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
I do. He's a great coach.
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I disagree. I think Calipari is a great coach, but his strength is def recruiting. He's not nearly the best strategist or in-game coach in basketball. He's good, but I don't think he could have stepped in and taken us to the brink of the big dance
 
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#86
Recruiting ability is a big component of being a great coach. FYI. It all matters, not just what you do on the floor.
 
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zansdad said:
Who pulled your chain? And it's funny you brought up facetious. Since he was not being facetious and I was. Good call though. Also, since I am trying to look less ignorant, there is no need for the quotation marks in your sentence. There I feel smarter already.
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Again, find a dictionary, use it, and defeat your ignorance.
 
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golfballs03 said:
Recruiting ability is a big component of being a great coach. FYI. It all matters, not just what you do on the floor.
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You're right, it is a cumulative effort. Regardless of the "vacate" jokes, he has taken 3 schools to the final four. The players he had at UMass were not world beaters, besides Camby. At the end of Memphis he was recruiting at the top, but what he built it with was not elite recruits. His style of coaching works, there is no way around it. Winning a title is ONE game, there are a ton of coaches with one title that haven't accomplished on a whole what he has. Is he the best X/0 coach? No. Not even in the top 6 or 7, but people saying that Martin is a better coach after one season is just premature.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
You're right, it is a cumulative effort. Regardless of the "vacate" jokes, he has taken 3 schools to the final four. The players he had at UMass were not world beaters, besides Camby. At the end of Memphis he was recruiting at the top, but what he built it with was not elite recruits. His style of coaching works, there is no way around it. Winning a title is ONE game, there are a ton of coaches with one title that haven't accomplished on a whole what he has. Is he the best X/0 coach? No. Not even in the top 6 or 7, but people saying that Martin is a better coach after one season is just premature.
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Martin has done an excellent job with this team. However, you are correct. Recruiting and coaching makes great coaches. You can't be successful without both. Saying Martin is a better coach than Cal, at this point, is ridiculous. Martin may prove to be just as good, but the current body of work doesn't allow for a reasonable comparison.
 
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
You're right, it is a cumulative effort. Regardless of the "vacate" jokes, he has taken 3 schools to the final four. The players he had at UMass were not world beaters, besides Camby. At the end of Memphis he was recruiting at the top, but what he built it with was not elite recruits. His style of coaching works, there is no way around it. Winning a title is ONE game, there are a ton of coaches with one title that haven't accomplished on a whole what he has. Is he the best X/0 coach? No. Not even in the top 6 or 7, but people saying that Martin is a better coach after one season is just premature.
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Agreed. CCM has a lot to prove to be put in a class with Calipari. But I will say I'm very impressed with how this team rallied around CCM to finish the season
 
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Bassmanbruno said:
Cal is one of the best coaches in the country. It's way too premature to say Martin is a better coach at this point.
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Yes, he won SEC Coach of the Year playing with a bunch of NBA players...go figure.
I don't really know how good of a coach he actually is, except he gets the best recruits somehow.
 
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onevolfan said:
Yes, he won SEC Coach of the Year playing with a bunch of NBA players...go figure.
I don't really know how good of a coach he actually is, except he gets the best recruits somehow.
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Bad enough coaching can screw up talent. He's a good coach, sleazeball for sure, but good coach.
 
#94
#94
Idk What the big deal over the "Official" CoY Award is all about.

They should've been Co-Coach's of the Year just like '07-'08.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Agreed. CCM has a lot to prove to be put in a class with Calipari. But I will say I'm very impressed with how this team rallied around CCM to finish the season
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To which I will reiterate, I love what Cuonzo has done. The state of the program was in such a way that another loose coach, with an undisciplined style would have ran it further in the ground. There is no doubt that he maximized the potential, and did better with what he had to work with than any other coach in the league, besides the obvious.
 
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