Coach Martin not interested in top ten players

#26
#26
Some of you guys take things out of context way too much.

Coach Martin said he's going to go after the best players. He didn't say that he wouldn't ever recruit a top 10 player. What he means that he is not interested in 1 and done type players, and just because a kid is ranked in the top 10 doesn't mean he's not a 4 year guy.

In short, all he means is that he is not going to do what Calipari does and have half the team leave every year after being 1 and done.
 
#27
#27
butler and vcu have players like ccm wants to recruit, their doing pretty well.imo
one and doners will take longer to build the program, right when they start getting it they leave.
 
#28
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Domestic Silence said:
That's the true question. Will he pursue these great players and do what he can to bring them in?

I understand not banking on all top-10 talent...but you've gotta try and bring them in or else you'll be stuck with a bunch of 4 year mid-major talents that just simply don't have the ability to keep up with UK and UF.

Basically what he is saying is he wants to mirror Kevin Stallings, and look how that is working out for him. Get's bounced by a garbage team each year.
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I think it is odd that people keep using the term "mid major" when talking about Martin and recruiting. The guy has much more experience outside of mid major programs than Bruce did before coming here. He played in the NBA, and he played on teams with future NBA stars. There is no reason to think that he will mistake someone with medicore talent for a player who can compete in a major conference. And to be able to take a couple of lines from 1 interview in the first week of his job and then say that he wants to be like Stallings is a bit of a reach.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
That's my concern. Obviously top ten players are going to be turned down, but not likely they will ask us to recruit them. Are we going to go after elite talent, or be content to go after the 3* player and an occasional 4* player. I still remember Buzz saying we couldn't sign the top players and we didn't waste time recruiting them. His current and first offer is to a three star player. Granted, most of the top players have already signed for this year.
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I believe he pretty clearly stated that he wanted "top 100 guys" in his press conference. Also, he stated he would recruit the "best players available." That's an indication that he won't just settle for mediocre players. Also, the notion that players won't come play in a motion offense is absurd. UNC, Duke, Villanova, UCLA, Pitt, etc all run motion offenses and all have good players.
 
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HendersonVol said:
I think this was taken out of context. He said you go for the top guys in the country, but it's also very important to recruit other guys who will stay 4 years.
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Most definitely out of context.
 
#31
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UTVOLS107 said:
Some of you guys take things out of context way too much.

Coach Martin said he's going to go after the best players. He didn't say that he wouldn't ever recruit a top 10 player. What he means that he is not interested in 1 and done type players, and just because a kid is ranked in the top 10 doesn't mean he's not a 4 year guy.

In short, all he means is that he is not going to do what Calipari does and have half the team leave every year after being 1 and done.
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Everyone ranked in the top 10 sees himself as a one-and-doner.
 
#32
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OrangeSummit said:
butler and vcu have players like ccm wants to recruit, their doing pretty well.imo
one and doners will take longer to build the program, right when they start getting it they leave.
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Yeah, our best bet is to emulate the recruiting practices of the Horizon League.
 
#33
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LawVol13 said:
I believe he pretty clearly stated that he wanted "top 100 guys" in his press conference. Also, he stated he would recruit the "best players available." That's an indication that he won't just settle for mediocre players. Also, the notion that players won't come play in a motion offense is absurd. UNC, Duke, Villanova, UCLA, Pitt, etc all run motion offenses and all have good players.
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Agree completely.
 
#34
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WesternKyVol said:
But will he be willing to spend three years recruiting a John Wall or Harrison Barnes type athlete?
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duke and carolina basically told wall to go somewhere else. Worked out well for duke last year.
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TNBV said:
I think it is odd that people keep using the term "mid major" when talking about Martin and recruiting. The guy has much more experience outside of mid major programs than Bruce did before coming here. He played in the NBA, and he played on teams with future NBA stars. There is no reason to think that he will mistake someone with medicore talent for a player who can compete in a major conference. And to be able to take a couple of lines from 1 interview in the first week of his job and then say that he wants to be like Stallings is a bit of a reach.
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I think we're all reaching at this point. None of us really know his recruiting style, nor how is offense and defense will look with our OOC and conference schedules.

I also believe that a big thing in college basketball is coaching up players year to year. Having one and done guys is nice, but to mix that with 3-4 year guys who get better and better each year is the true recipe for an excellent program. I think that is his main goal, and I'm excited to see what he can do.
 
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tri_vol said:
duke and carolina basically told wall to go somewhere else. Worked out well for duke last year.
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Duke and Carolina --Duke especially-- have the advantage of being able to almost hand select players from the top 50 with GPAs over 3.75. At this point, we don't have that luxury.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I believe he pretty clearly stated that he wanted "top 100 guys" in his press conference. Also, he stated he would recruit the "best players available." That's an indication that he won't just settle for mediocre players. Also, the notion that players won't come play in a motion offense is absurd. UNC, Duke, Villanova, UCLA, Pitt, etc all run motion offenses and all have good players.
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I agree completely about the offense he runs having no bearing on recruiting. Elite players can excel in that offense.
 
#39
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WesternKyVol said:
Everyone ranked in the top 10 sees himself as a one-and-doner.
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I think they have the aspirations to play in the NBA, but I don't buy into the "all top 10 players think they're one and doners" bull. Not saying some don't, but to say they all do is just inaccurate.
 
#40
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LawVol13 said:
I believe he pretty clearly stated that he wanted "top 100 guys" in his press conference. Also, he stated he would recruit the "best players available." That's an indication that he won't just settle for mediocre players. Also, the notion that players won't come play in a motion offense is absurd. UNC, Duke, Villanova, UCLA, Pitt, etc all run motion offenses and all have good players.
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Give me 10 well coached top 100 players and I like our chances.
 
#43
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WesternKyVol said:
Duke and Carolina --Duke especially-- have the advantage of being able to almost hand select players from the top 50 with GPAs over 3.75. At this point, we don't have that luxury.
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And what is your point? Duke won the national championship after turning down the best player in the country because he was a 1 and done. What does the GPA have to do with it? Are you saying if we recruit a bunch of 3 stars with 4.0 GPA's then we can compete with Kentucky?
Tennessee will never be considered a better "program" than Kentucky due to tradition alone, but mostly because basketball is all they have. And no coach can outrecruit Calipari when it comes to 1 and done guys. To beat those guys on a regular basis, we need good players that stay and play as a team, not wanna be one and doners with less talent that the guys at Kentucky.
 
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TNBV said:
And what is your point? Duke won the national championship after turning down the best player in the country because he was a 1 and done. What does the GPA have to do with it? Are you saying if we recruit a bunch of 3 stars with 4.0 GPA's then we can compete with Kentucky?
Tennessee will never be considered a better "program" than Kentucky due to tradition alone, but mostly because basketball is all they have. And no coach can outrecruit Calipari when it comes to 1 and done guys. To beat those guys on a regular basis, we need good players that stay and play as a team, not wanna be one and doners with less talent that the guys at Kentucky.
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They didn't turn him down BECAUSE he was a one and done. Kyrie Irving is there right now...
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Duke and Carolina --Duke especially-- have the advantage of being able to almost hand select players from the top 50 with GPAs over 3.75. At this point, we don't have that luxury.
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we had a bench full of 4-star players this year, but one might consider the mitigating circumstances a bit overwhelming for huge success. we had talent on the floor at all times this year, and we have talent coming back next year. CBP rebuilt our BB program the past 6 years and filled TBA. Considering we recently had the school's first-ever #1 ranking and 6 straight trips to the NCAA, I accept that as a job well done.
Except for the dark NCAA cloud hanging over Knoxville, we had BB talent to spare coming back next year. The winds will soon blow this dark cloud away, and we will win 20+ games in 2013. If Scotty and Harris stay another year, we win 20 games next year.
I believe CCM can continue our "new" winning tradition
 
#48
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BasketvolsFan said:
He said 4 year players are needed when you are building a program. Is this type of recruiting going to allow us to have an elite program? Are we building a program or trying to maintain success? I'm interested in any comments on his recruiting philosophy.
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You do need four-year players to have a winning program. You almost never see teams filled with one-and-done guys win a national championship. Look at Kentucky this year and last. They couldn't make the Final Four with a team full of high NBA draft picks, but they did this year, with the leftovers.

The best way to win is to have a foundation of good players who will be around four years, and land the occasional one-and-done future lottery pick to round out the team. That's the type of team that usually wins the championship.
 
#50
#50
We all want players with "character" and "disciplined" play--but we also know that those two words typically add up to "mediocre." I'm not advocating that our coaches recruit bad apples--but the Cuonz better understand the need to get good players. I have a feeling the program is headed for dullsville.
 
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