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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Not if we could of offered a bigger fish like Campbell. As many stated here in the last 2 weeks, make them an offer they can’t refuse. Would 8m have been enough for Fleck or Campbell. I’m not hearing that we gave any of those two guys a serious offer. Would 6m have been enough for Napier or Herman ? Those options are better than what we wound up with.
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Heupel is better then Fleck.
Campbell is not motivated by money.
We did the best we could with 50 level 1 violations, a toxic culture, and a roster in flux.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Not if we could of offered a bigger fish like Campbell. As many stated here in the last 2 weeks, make them an offer they can’t refuse. Would 8m have been enough for Fleck or Campbell. I’m not hearing that we gave any of those two guys a serious offer. Would 6m have been enough for Napier or Herman ? Those options are better than what we wound up with.
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Did you tell all your highschool buddies about all the girls who turned you down for prom? Or did you just tell them who you were taking?

You don't have any idea who was asked or what they said, and I honestly don't know why you think you would?
 
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All those coaches were aware UT was ready to unload a Brinks truck if they had any interest.....if not I don’t want them because everybody in Vol nation knew
 
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ER Vol said:
So it looks like no one has been in this thread since last night, but I am going to post this here anyway. This is what I know as of today, people kind of opened up after our new head coach was hired. Our AD really did swing for the fences for the hire, CJH was always considered, however others were contacted to see what would shake out.
Franklin was totally in the mix, however he wanted a huge salary to make the move (I don’t blame him). When I say huge salary, it would have made him the highest paid coach in sports, college and pro. Others I heard were scared by the upcoming NCAA sanctions, which is totally fair. CJH was in it from the start.
Napier was never in the mix, not sure why. Dykes was never in the mix and was not contacted by anyone official from UT. I know this because I called the AD at SMU and asked him. I know him through other folks. He said to his knowledge Dykes was never offered the job. If you don’t know who the AD at SMU is, google him, his name is familiar. Elliot was considered, however he was talked out of taking the job. It’s a hard job moving from coordinator to head ball coach in the best situations, add everything UT was facing, it would have impacted his career in such a negative way if he didn’t succeed. He will get his opportunity in the next 2 years in a much better environment.
Now to Freeze, Chadwell and Kiffin. Freeze rubbed a lot of folks the wrong way, all over the SEC and ACC. His holier than thou attitude while doing the things he did, it did not make many friends. Chadwell basically burned a program to the ground on this way out. These 2 were never going to get a sniff due to the incoming NCAA sanctions. Its kind of hard to say “we know we messed up, but we have learned our lesson” and then hire one of these 2 guys.
Now on to Kiffin, who I thought would be great. I think he is a great offensive coach and also his players love him. He is also a huge smart ass, which I also love, we need another Spurrier type in the SEC, might as well be at UT. However Kiffin burnt so many bridges on his way out of Knoxville, it just wasn’t going to happen.
That being said, I did talk to 2 ADs who are in the ACC, they are friends of mine from being here in Atlanta (not hard to figure out who they are, my dad played ball at The Institute and most of my family went there). Both thought CJH was a great choice considering the circumstances and were actually surprised he took the job. That was all due to Danny White.
With that being said, this has been a great ride and it was great talking to all of you in the coachery thread (also the plane tracking thread was very amusing). All of you are awesome, even if we didn’t agree. Love the passion for UT.
On another note, I finished my treatment for a rare blood cancer today and so far everything looks good. If it is not caught in time or treatment doesn’t work, you have a 2 - 4 year life expectancy. That was found last year on a routine checkup and because of course it was 2020. Following this thread and chatting with all of you took my mind off of that as well as my grind at work with all the Covid patients we have been seeing. Needless to say to has been a depressing and trying time, but you guys and gals made it all better. For that I truly thank you.
Stay safe and peace,
Er Vol
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God bless, fella! I’ll let you know when I’m pouring drinks at the tailgate next.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Yes it is cheap on a per year basis. It was reported we were going to offer FU money and we might of done that for Franklin but did we do it for Fleck,Campbell, Napier and Herman. If not we either failed or were never serious about paying the money to bring an big name candidate here. Heupel is an underwhelming hire.
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None of those guys want to come here, quit kidding yourself
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
Sorry if I took it that way. We know the bar vs “Big Gain” Bob Shoop is low. But those two years at Mizz tell me his offense can work here. We were so poorly coached under Pruitt.
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Big time facts.

It’s an underwhelming hire. However, I’m willing to see what he can do. Can’t be any worse than we were
 
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ThreatLevelOrange said:
Heupel is better then Fleck.
Campbell is not motivated by money.
We did the best we could with 50 level 1 violations, a toxic culture, and a roster in flux.
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Fleck>Heupel In most people’s opinions
Campbell-Did we make an offer ?
Herman and Napier - Both more desirable than Heupel-Did we make offers ?
 
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vollygirl said:
Did you tell all your highschool buddies about all the girls who turned you down for prom? Or did you just tell them who you were taking?

You don't have any idea who was asked or what they said, and I honestly don't know why you think you would?
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That’s right I don’t who we made offers to. The information floating around from certain people in the know is money was not going to be an issue and we were going for home run hires. All I heard is we maybe offered Franklin and Elliott before Heupel. This turned out not to be the coaching search we were led to believe.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Not if we could of offered a bigger fish like Campbell. As many stated here in the last 2 weeks, make them an offer they can’t refuse. Would 8m have been enough for Fleck or Campbell. I’m not hearing that we gave any of those two guys a serious offer. Would 6m have been enough for Napier or Herman ? Those options are better than what we wound up with.
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Dude you just don’t get it. Please stop thinking that everything can be solved with money. It’s been proven wrong. NOBODY knows who got offered what. The fact is, the guys you listed likely didn’t even entertain an offer. But keep on thinking it’s just, oh give them an offer they cannot refuse.

Take the blinders off. It should be crystal clear. No big time winner wanted the TN job and they haven’t since 2009 when Hamilton passed on Patterson.
 
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Perspective said:
Herman? No. He’s no better than CJH in coaching football and a horrible fit. Zero interpersonal skills and a poor leader. This is going to be an uphill battle and he’s a downhill guy, at best.

Campbell wasn’t interested. Not sure on Fleck
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Campbell not interested - I know he turned down Texas but did we try? Same question for Fickel and Napier.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Did we make FU offers? You never know until you do.
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Heard Franklin wanted close to $100 million contract. With the NCAA, state of program for last 12 years no big fish wants any part of UT right now. Hopefully Heupel will at least get program back to respectable, and after about 4 consistent seasons of respectability, then a big fish would be interested.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
That’s right I don’t who we made offers to. The information floating around from certain people in the know is money was not going to be an issue and we were going for home run hires. All I heard is we maybe offered Franklin and Elliott before Heupel. This turned out not to be the coaching search we were led to believe.
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Turns out the people in the know didn’t know jack squat. We ended up getting the best head coach we could. For some reason some of you just cannot handle that.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Dude you just don’t get it. Please stop thinking that everything can be solved with money. It’s been proven wrong. NOBODY knows who got offered what. The fact is, the guys you listed likely didn’t even entertain an offer. But keep on thinking it’s just, oh give them an offer they cannot refuse.

Take the blinders off. It should be crystal clear. No big time winner wanted the TN job and they haven’t since 2009 when Hamilton passed on Patterson.
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Just going by what the administration and White and some here stating we were willing to go 40 million long term contract. I don’t believe that every one of the guys I mentioned would have turned down that money. The point I’m making is we did not do what some were stating and many of us hoped for and that was not to do another cheap hire. We will continue to be in a endless cycle of changing coaches every 3 to 4 years.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Turns out the people in the know didn’t know jack squat. We ended up getting the best head coach we could. For some reason some of you just cannot handle that.
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It would of been better if Plowman,Boyd and White did not give us an indication they would aim high. They and the certain individuals here on VN created the buzz that we were going to be serious with this hire and make the hire to bring us back to relevancy. They mislead us.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Just going by what the administration and White and some here stating we were willing to go 40 million long term contract. I don’t believe that every one of the guys I mentioned would have turned down that money. The point I’m making is we did not do what some were stating and many of us hoped for and that was not to do another cheap hire. We will continue to be in a endless cycle of changing coaches every 3 to 4 years.
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You need to stop with the conjecture. It’s getting old. You and some others don’t have a clue what it takes to hire a football coach and neither do I. But it’s not all about money. You refuse to take the facts and state of the program into account. All the guys you listed? They were in good, stable programs. Its highly unlikely that most of them didn’t even entertain an offer. I mean you think DW only offered Franklin? Believe that if you will but most who have reasonable common sense knew NO big time winner was coming.

Only you and the other unrealistic fans thought otherwise.
 
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AAAAHHHH !!!! The Coachery thread where for well over a month now you can talk football, discuss coaching plus and minuses, hear some real info and not worry with the silly clutter of what some ex-player or somebody that has yet to wear the Orange T is doing or plans to do........a really nice place when you think about it.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
It would of been better if Plowman,Boyd and White did not give us an indication they would aim high. They and the certain individuals here on VN created the buzz that we were going to be serious with this hire and make the hire to bring us back to relevancy. They mislead us.
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Give me the proof they didn’t aim high. So wait, now the insiders on VN are legit? Lol. Just stop with the BS.
 
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