Coaching vs Talent.

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Pick 1.

Regarding TN and SEC.

Final Decision.

No reason.

"It all comes down to..."

COACHING
 
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Picking one is a waste of time.

A coach might be able to win a game based on coaching.
Talent might be able to win a game based on talent.
Without talent AND coaching there will be no long-term success. It is a process, not a result.
 
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Coaching any day. But this doesn't apply to every team. But for tennessee, theyre bound to get good talent every year just because of their name, so i'd take coaching. We've had a lot of talent for years and havent made a bowl game in 3 years, so definitely coaching.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Picking one is a waste of time.

A coach might be able to win a game based on coaching.
Talent might be able to win a game based on talent.
Without talent AND coaching there will be no long-term success. It is a process, not a result.
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I tend to agree with this without good coaching talent is wasted and without some talent coaching can become null and void
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
Picking one is a waste of time.

A coach might be able to win a game based on coaching.
Talent might be able to win a game based on talent.
Without talent AND coaching there will be no long-term success. It is a process, not a result.
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/thread
 
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VinylVols said:
Coaching any day. But this doesn't apply to every team. But for tennessee, theyre bound to get good talent every year just because of their name, so i'd take coaching. We've had a lot of talent for years and havent made a bowl game in 3 years, so definitely coaching.
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:lolabove:
 
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Give me talent everyday. You can win a lot of games with talent and talent alone. Case in point.......LSU and Les Miles.
 
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UT was the 2nd best program in the SEC through the '90s with average coaching and boatloads of talent. But the Gators pretty much owned UT because of their boatloads of talent and superior coaching. Now the league is chocked full of teams with very good to great coaches and boatloads of talent. Bottom line is if you want to win championships these days in this conference you need plenty of talent and good coaching.
 
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The best coach in the world can NOT come in and get Wins without equal or better talent!

I hate nick saTan but I have to admit he's a great coach and despite that I doubt he could have taken our same players this year and gotten but maybe 1 more Win and that might have been over Vandy if we were lucky and Tennessee has NOT had any luck at all since 1998 when we Won it all over Florida State.

That's why now position coaches that are only "fair" coaches get big paychecks because they're great recruiters.

I'll take a top 3 recruiting class every single year because with that talent level and solid depth for 4 years we're going to Win lots of games even with just fair to good coaches.

Speed and talent will get lots of Wins.

#BrickbyBrick...VFL...GBO!!!
 
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PimpVol said:
Average coaching in the 90's? Chavis and Cutcliffe (who called the offense & defense) were average?
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Average lhead coaching from Fulmer, yes. And the Chief, as much as I love him, seemed to get steadily worse as a DC as the level of talent on the D declined from 2001-08. And yet has become a great DC again now that he is with a program that is loaded with talent.
 
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PimpVol said:
Average coaching in the 90's? Chavis and Cutcliffe (who called the offense & defense) were average?
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The 90's ended with Randy Sanders at OC and recruiting dropping so - we can see what little talent and little coaching gets you.

It of course requires both talent and coaching - that's why Saban was 6-6 his first year at Alabama. Now that he has had great talent stacked upon great talent - it becomes a lot easier to coach.

Bear Bryant 5 -4 -1 his first year.
 
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vol2002 said:
:lolabove:
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Haha, seriously though, were you not watching the vols from last year in the nfl yesterday? We did have talent, maybe not as much as implied, but with better coaching, im sure bray and co. could have made a bowl game every year. Definitely don't need to lose Vandy twice in a row ever.
 
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Crazy Ivan said:
Average lhead coaching from Fulmer, yes. And the Chief, as much as I love him, seemed to get steadily worse as a DC as the level of talent on the D declined from 2001-08. And yet has become a great DC again now that he is with a program that is loaded with talent.
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You mean Chavis couldn't coach a defense with lesser talent to beat an offense with better talent? Who ever has? :whistling:
 
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Why is it that VN has so much difficulty understanding "talent" means very little until it is developed into a skill? All the talent in the world will not help you unless it can be used to produce.
 
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I'd have to say talent. If we had a schedule like Vandy or Kentucky I would say coaching but we have a hell of a schedule and we need talent more than anything to keep up.
 
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Plenty of examples for both talent and coaching winning out. Humans are involved so that makes it dicey at times. How many times have we seen talented teams lose out due to poor preparation or in game decisions made by the coaches or games lost by teams with great coaches due to boneheaded plays by the "talented" players. Truth is it takes both talent and coaching to get to the highest level. Kinda like the chicken and the egg analogy, which comes first? Auburn had talented players and brought in a great coach and look where they are. We have some talent but not great depth, now we have great recruiting coaches bringing in more talent. Once we get more talent in place it will be interesting to see if our coaches are as good as we all hope they are.
 
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Winning doe not come down to just one factor. During the last 10 years, Tennessee has not committed very many athletes which have been recruited by the Vols and Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, LSU, or USCe. The result has been losing seasons and 4 new Head Coaches. In Fulmer's early days, we were successful in recruiting a number of players recruited by those teams. Later in Fulmer's coaching years, we did not sign as many of those players, and the coaching staff began to grow stagnate. In Kiffins one year, we recruited those players but a majority of the players did not stay past 2-3 years because of a number of different reasons. His coaching staff were good pretty good, but broke a number of NCAA rules. Dooley turned out to be a disaster for a coach and the bottom of the Football Program fell out. Positive attitudes of the football coaches, football players, the Administration, and the fans deteriorated to the point that the known "cream of the crop" coaches would not give Tennessee the time of day. All of a sudden, a lesser known coach was hired and the attitude began to change. The football team's attitude began to change from Ok we will play, to we want to get into better shape, learn how to better execute plays. The new coaching staff began to work their tails off in teaching football and recruiting quality football players. The Administration began to support the football program rather than give it second hand attention. Communication with high school coaches was reestablished, High school football players again became interested in Tennessee football, and former players realized that football was again becoming a positive asset for the university. Tennessee was, once again, beginning to successfully recruit players who were also being recruited by teams included in the top 10 teams in the country. The National media is , once again, realizing that the attitude of Tennessee football is changing its culture. The athletes being recruited are, once again, players of good character and great skill. The coaching staff is skilled and are willing to do what ever is legally necessary to bring Tennessee Football back to the elite position it once held. While this can not be accomplished in 1-2 years, the foundation to accomplish this will be completed with the 2015 and 2016 recruiting classes.
So it is a complex set of issues which are required to return OUR Football Program the the top. We, as Tennessee fan, must also do our part by supporting our Program with positive attitudes and support. Lets put the past behind and concentrate on the future. GO VOLS.
 
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