Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem

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n_huffhines said:
So, if he thinks the problem is institutional racism, where should he send his money? How will it fix anything?
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Plenty of local charities around trying to help minority kids after school, single parent families, etc. He may be doing that in which case he has a stronger voice. I just don't see institutional racism being the root cause of African American issues.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Actually that makes his stand even more BRAVE. He's very blessed to be making alot of money and not facing the same destitution as most African-Americans.

The fact he's willing to risk his own fortune to stand up for the oppressed makes him even more admirable.

I always liked Kaepernick. Now he's officially become my favorite NFL player because of his brave stand.
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You are the epitome of the oppressed black in this country. Live the life of Riley and act as a noble defender of justice. You don't know what the **** you are talking about. Freak ought to ban you for being a disengenuous f'ing troll. You are quite honestly the most racist poster on this board.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Once again Colin isn't talking about himself when he took this stand. He's talking about the rest of his people that are not as fortunate as he was to be blessed with incredible athletic ability. However, his good fortune and that of other successful black people doesn't change the fact that most black people in this country are still struggling.

The wealth gap between the average black family and the average white family is still the same as it was after slavery. There are more black men in jail today than were enslaved during slavery. Black people get longer prison sentences for the same crimes as whites. Black people are being hunted in the streets like animals by white police officers (aka race soldiers). And so on.

Black people by in large still face systemic racism. White supremacy rules here in America. That is what Kaepernick is speaking out against.
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You are welcome to move back to your homeland and take Nancy Huffy with you. You can represent over there and Huff can stand around and tote your water to assuage his white guilt. I will buy both one way tickets as long as you surrender your passports.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
You are welcome to move back to your homeland and take Nancy Huffy with you. You can represent over there and Huff can stand around and tote your water to assuage his white guilt. I will buy both one way tickets as long as you surrender your passports.
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I'm in if you take LG with you too.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Right about what? You're implying he thinks the problem is blacks don't get enough donations? Ok...dunno where you got that from. A lot of comments in here indicate an obsession with material things, yet CK made no reference to wealth.
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The fact that you can't/refuse to see the relationship doesn't make you look intellectual, very much the opposite.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Once again Colin isn't talking about himself when he took this stand. He's talking about the rest of his people that are not as fortunate as he was to be blessed with incredible athletic ability. However, his good fortune and that of other successful black people doesn't change the fact that most black people in this country are still struggling.

The wealth gap between the average black family and the average white family is still the same as it was after slavery. There are more black men in jail today than were enslaved during slavery. Black people get longer prison sentences for the same crimes as whites. Black people are being hunted in the streets like animals by white police officers (aka race soldiers). And so on.

Black people by in large still face systemic racism. White supremacy rules here in America. That is what Kaepernick is speaking out against.
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And we just had a black president for 8 years...let that sink in..
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
Mr Karpernick should be allowed to whatever political statement he wants. However, he must be willing to accept the potential financial consequences of his actions. Personally, I don't think there will be any financial consequences. In general, the American public cares more for entertainers than for patriotism.
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That and the fact he sucks as a QB
 
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That will show'em!

Seriously though, these types of lame and utterly inconsequential protests make celebrities feel better about themselves and attract the spotlight to themselves that they would otherwise not have through their own talent/volition. Pretty pathetic.
 
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8 years as POTUS with a house and senate that won't work with you can't change hundreds of years of oppression. I swear I'm surprised some of you can breathe and type at the same time.
 
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Asian Americans come here with nothing, usually in debt, and thrive under in this oppressive society. Chinese, Koreans, Vietnamese what is their secret? They just close their eyes and work and the rest takes care of itself.
 
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Of course the obligatory First Amendment concession, but to the real issues involved. I can make a logical argument for patriotism, one that isn't purely emotional. Everyone should understand that most of the things they take for granted in life - electricity, trash pick-up, things running on time, etc. - is the product, in some shape or form, of the state at work. It's so abstract that it is often difficult to see, but we experience the state - quite concretely - in each of these things, including every time we flip a light switch or stop at a red light. As such, everyone should pay proper respect. I call this "patriotism," but others can think of more euphemistic terms if they like.

In this particular case, the state - the American state - provides the conditions necessary for the game of NFL football. If this be in question, I ask any of you whether or not a NFL game could occur in a Syria, a Somalia, an Afghanistan, or even a Kenya or Zimbabwe. The answer is, indubitably, no. So, the American state is responsible, in a sense, of providing us with the sport of NFL football and in providing Kaepernick with the environment necessary to earn millions off of athletic talent and sport. In this sense, his decision is disrespectful at best.

But, as far as his perspective is concerned, I find it far too general to take seriously. I think it yet another product of the all-too-quick to react political environment that our news media and venues like social media have enabled. We had best stop this recent era of a false racial reality - current narrative that these are the worst tensions in a long time; current narrative that black people are being gunned down by police left and right; etc. (although we should not avoid the reality that racial injustice does indeed exist) - that is perpetuated by news media and social media, before we end up creating the reality we think we seek to fight.

We don't want to self-fulfilling prophesy ourselves into the reality we currently, falsely, think we're in. Should that ever happen, white people will go tribal - thinking of themselves as "white people" foremost, rather than faceless, default Americans - and the result will not be good. We've already seen hints of such a future with the Trump campaign's appeal, and we've already seen the reality of such a future in the former Yugoslavia, as Burhead pointed out.
 
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