Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem

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Biopsyman said:
He will be booed by all races all season
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He won't have the chance, because even before this stuff he was more than likely going to sit the bench. I find it odd his timing and think it's possible that he is trying to make it difficult for SF to cut him because of this.
 
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utvols88 said:
If he said something like this while having multiple organizations to help the black community with outreach, he might have a better reception than pouting on the sideline and refusing to do something not related to a current day oppression. I'd like to hear what specifically is oppressive today. Not 70 years ago, not 300. Today.
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The free hand outs are oppressive..wait, the preferential treatment getting accepted to certain college just because of being black when others would get the spots had race not been known...no wait, the selection for jobs and work contracts because your black, disadvantages business owner, no wait.

I can't think of anything oppressive, all I can think of is preferential treatment and favoritism because of being black. Matter of fact, it sounds like the whites are being oppressed in this country. If the white had white lives matter or had our own chamber of Commerce or our own organizations and clubs and didn't allow blacks in....just think of the outrage. To me, it sounds like the blacks are the racists, and the oppressors. Had it been a white man sitting during the anthem and making these comments, he would have been suspended from team activities and the public outcry over this would have been huge, it would cost him millions and probably his career. I have no respect for anyone, regardless of color, that won't stand and honor ALL Americans during national anthom.

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HuntinVol said:
The free hand outs are oppressive..wait, the preferential treatment getting accepted to certain college just because of being black when others would get the spots had race not been known...no wait, the selection for jobs and work contracts because your black, disadvantages business owner, no wait.

I can't think of anything oppressive, all I can think of is preferential treatment and favoritism because of being black. Matter of fact, it sounds like the whites are being oppressed in this country. If the white had white lives matter or had our own chamber of Commerce or our own organizations and clubs and didn't allow blacks in....just think of the outrage. To me, it sounds like the blacks are the racists, and the oppressors. Had it been a white man sitting during the anthem and making these comments, he would have been suspended from team activities and the public outcry over this would have been huge, it would cost him millions and probably his career. I have no respect for anyone, regardless of color, that won't stand and honor ALL Americans during national anthom.

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BearCat204 said:
He won't have the chance, because even before this stuff he was more than likely going to sit the bench. I find it odd his timing and think it's possible that he is trying to make it difficult for SF to cut him because of this.
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Exactly what I've been saying. Now when he doesn't start he'll cry that it was because he was standing against oppression.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
He's using his position to draw attention to the problem. People are talking about the problem as well as his actions. I find it somewhat odd that people who claim to support an individual's right get so angry about this particular expression.

At the end of the day he refused to stand for a song. He didn't express support for cop killers.
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Soon.
 
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k-town_king said:
Every conservative is all for personal freedom and constitutional rights until someone does something they disagree with.
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Who is trying to take away his personal freedom or constitutional rights? I know it's hard, but could you for once try and not be so overtly racist that it destroys any sense or reason you could appear to have?
 
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At this point, I don't know if D4H is delusional or a troll.

Asian Americans were in this country being treated like #(*&@ like the Poles, Irish and Italians before the Civil War was even fought.

This nation has it's bad side. Nobody will argue against that. Some of that is still resident to this day. I don't think any reasonable person will argue that.

However, what this nation has shown is if you keep your head down and work hard, you can succeed. The wall keeping blacks, Irish, Polish, Italians, Asians, Jews et al down has been somewhat if not mostly erased.

If you want to feel butthurt, be an Asian that isn't accepted to an elite institution because your brand of brown is statistically over-represented and a different brown person that is under-represented is allowed in over you. Instead of an Asian getting a finance or engineering degree, you now have someone else getting a Fine Arts degree. Then liberals complain about hispanics and blacks being under-represented in engineering and tech. Blame white america when they overlook a worthless degree and won't hire you. Complain more when the Asian with the Mechanical Engineering degree is making $90,000/year and a liberal arts degree nets $30,000/year. Complain about oppression for a choice that was freely made.

You know what it boils down to more often than not? A lack of personal accountability and responsibility. One of the best guys I served with was from southeast DC. He chose to take his life into his own hands and joined the Marines. He was in Motor T (no slight to them, but not the highest standards) and got out after 12 years at 30 years old. He put himself through college (for free, using evil majority white taxpayer money) and now owns his own auto repair garage in Northern Virginia (AFAIK).

Where is the oppession there? He is from a broken home and one of the worst areas in the country. He CHOSE to not be a victim and he CHOSE to make himself better.

Again, for the reading impaired. There are problems in this country. If Kaep actually gave half a crap he'd donate 90% of his ridiculous salary to helping rebuild uninsured black-owned areas devastated by BLM riots or the countless numbers of uninsured in Baton Rouge. But, he won't. Because he's selfish. Just like most champagne idiots in this country, they're all talk but no actual substance.

I'm sure when he's 45 and broke, he'll blame whites for stealing it all.

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ClearwaterVol said:
I find it somewhat odd that people who claim to support an individual's right get so angry about this particular expression.
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Is anyone advocate he be thrown in prison for it? Is anyone advocating that congress make a law demanding people stand for the nation anthem (which isn't just some song you d*****)? I don't see that. Do you understand the rights here? He can act like a worthless *****. I can call him out on it. That's how this all works.

Also, people aren't "talking about" the perceived oppression any more than they already complain about it all day while doing nothing to better themselves. People are talking about him. This is an embarrassment for Kaep.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
He's using his position to draw attention to the problem. People are talking about the problem as well as his actions.
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They are talking? Here's the articles and what they are saying:


Niners QB Kaepernick refuses to stand for anthem in protest | Fox News (No comments section, but I'd imagine it would be lively)

Niners QB Kaepernick Refuses to Stand for Anthem in Protest - ABC News

Colin Kaepernick Sits During National Anthem Before Packers vs. 49ers | Bleacher Report (Redirect from CNN)

San Francisco 49ers' Colin Kaepernick refuses to stand for national anthem - CBS News

Kaepernick refuses ?to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people? | ProFootballTalk (Redirect from NBC news)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ers-sits-national-anthem-prior-preseason-game

And the overseas press?

http://news.sky.com/story/nfl-playe...-refuse-to-stand-for-national-anthem-10555524

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/...es-stand-national-anthem-160828071313517.html

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37205032

https://www.rt.com/sport/357448-colin-kaepernick-anthem-protest/

See? Nobody's talking about the "problem" as much as you'd like to think. But boy howdy, the comments sections are quite entertaining. However, they aren't focusing on the "problem" any more than they did before.

As the old saying goes, this too shall pass.
 
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agent|orange said:
At this point, I don't know if D4H is delusional or a troll.

Asian Americans were in this country being treated like #(*&@ like the Poles, Irish and Italians before the Civil War was even fought.

This nation has it's bad side. Nobody will argue against that. Some of that is still resident to this day. I don't think any reasonable person will argue that.

However, what this nation has shown is if you keep your head down and work hard, you can succeed. The wall keeping blacks, Irish, Polish, Italians, Asians, Jews et al down has been somewhat if not mostly erased.

If you want to feel butthurt, be an Asian that isn't accepted to an elite institution because your brand of brown is statistically over-represented and a different brown person that is under-represented is allowed in over you. Instead of an Asian getting a finance or engineering degree, you now have someone else getting a Fine Arts degree. Then liberals complain about hispanics and blacks being under-represented in engineering and tech. Blame white america when they overlook a worthless degree and won't hire you. Complain more when the Asian with the Mechanical Engineering degree is making $90,000/year and a liberal arts degree nets $30,000/year. Complain about oppression for a choice that was freely made.

You know what it boils down to more often than not? A lack of personal accountability and responsibility. One of the best guys I served with was from southeast DC. He chose to take his life into his own hands and joined the Marines. He was in Motor T (no slight to them, but not the highest standards) and got out after 12 years at 30 years old. He put himself through college (for free, using evil majority white taxpayer money) and now owns his own auto repair garage in Northern Virginia (AFAIK).

Where is the oppession there? He is from a broken home and one of the worst areas in the country. He CHOSE to not be a victim and he CHOSE to make himself better.

Again, for the reading impaired. There are problems in this country. If Kaep actually gave half a crap he'd donate 90% of his ridiculous salary to helping rebuild uninsured black-owned areas devastated by BLM riots or the countless numbers of uninsured in Baton Rouge. But, he won't. Because he's selfish. Just like most champagne idiots in this country, they're all talk but no actual substance.

I'm sure when he's 45 and broke, he'll blame whites for stealing it all.

/rant
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This is an excellent rant Agent.....👍
 
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k-town_king said:
So stop crying then. If you supported his right to feel and act as he sees fit you would not be insulting him and calling him names like a little kid. Someone does something you don't like and you curse and name call. Grow up.
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You can support the right and disagree on the why. Im not sure why this is a big deal that someone disagrees with his stance. He's obviously disagreeing with others.

If the board was littered with "he shouldnt be able to do that" you would have a point. He made a legit choice to make a statement, hes a big boy. He can deal with the good and bad from that.
 
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k-town_king said:
So stop crying then. If you supported his right to feel and act as he sees fit you would not be insulting him and calling him names like a little kid. Someone does something you don't like and you curse and name call. Grow up.
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If he was white you wouldn't be on here defending him. Racist. You.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
He's using his position to draw attention to the problem. People are talking about the problem as well as his actions. I find it somewhat odd that people who claim to support an individual's right get so angry about this particular expression.

At the end of the day he refused to stand for a song. He didn't express support for cop killers.
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At the end of the day he didn't really take a stand for anything specific at all. "The oppression of minorities"? That's a pretty broad brush. People have compared him to Muhammad Ali, which is a complete joke, not even comparable.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
He's using his position to draw attention to the problem. People are talking about the problem as well as his actions. I find it somewhat odd that people who claim to support an individual's right get so angry about this particular expression.

At the end of the day he refused to stand for a song. He didn't express support for cop killers.
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People have been talking about this "issue" since the f'ing 60's. What that moron did was simply make people see him as a whining disrespectful POS. He can kiss my ass and it makes me even less likely to pay attention to anything he may want to say.
 
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I'm all for freedom of speech, but do it on your own time. The 49ers pay him to play a game. Once he dons the uniform and takes the field, his job is to represent them in a positive way. What he says off the field is his right, but if he's going to take the money, represent the organization with class and stop putting your own agenda first. Athletes get away with far too much imo.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
It would be awesome that if theor ancestors owned slaves. Heads would explode.
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His ancestors could have owned slaves. Slavery amongst African tribes was common place a few hundred years ago. Many Africans brought to America were sold into slavery by other Africans. People tend to forget this.
 
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