Colin Powell to endorse Obama....developing

[BigPapaVol]

Any statistic not showing the U.S. is the greatest country in the world in every category is wrong? And if not, then let's go ahead and forget the statistics and change the topic to the "biased agenda" of the organization responsible for gathering the statistics. Allvol123 can't even read the stupid report. Why even bother?

If somebody on here says "show me one European country that is better than us" I will just not answer next time. Because it seems to me the best argument against the statistics is basically "The UN sucks". Nice.

I didn't say that we lead the world in every category or that we should lead the world in every category. I think the UN will go out of its way to set forth stats that make the more socialized countries appear to have an upper hand. That's fine. I'm just clarifying that the set of stats you listed don't have any merit in my world and aren't in any way supportive of OWB's claim that you're trying to help with.

I think it's absurd to try and claim that any European country is better than ours. Surely on some stats Uganda is better than the US, but holistically, all of them suck on a relative basis. Picking and choosing stats is the work of guys trying to mince the subject to make it work.

 

[allvol123]

Any statistic not showing the U.S. is the greatest country in the world in every category is wrong? And if not, then let's go ahead and forget the statistics and change the topic to the "biased agenda" of the organization responsible for gathering the statistics. Allvol123 can't even read the stupid report. Why even bother?

If somebody on here says "show me one European country that is better than us" I will just not answer next time. Because it seems to me the best argument against the statistics is basically "The UN sucks". Nice.

Me not willing to dig through 300 pages of some report does not equal me not being able to read the report. If you can use copy, paste, and quote then do it. Otherwise I still be believe there is very little to back up those silly assertions you made. You made the assertions, back them up.

 

[TennNC]

Wow! You just took up a lot of space to say nothing. But the capitalizing of random words was real cool.

point of order, but do you mean the capitalizing of acronyms, which by rule are capitalized? i didn't see any actual "words" capitalized in the post you reference.

 

[rjd970]

I think it's absurd to try and claim that any European country is better than ours. Surely on some stats Uganda is better than the US, but holistically, all of them suck on a relative basis. Picking and choosing stats is the work of guys trying to mince the subject to make it work.

I agree with the bold part, and have been very careful to make that clear.

The question was which democracies are working better than us and for what reasons. All I said was country A,B, and C surpass us in categories 1,2, and 3. I think it is absurd that you argue the point because you basically don't agree with the UN. I don't necessarily agree with the UN either, but the statistics are still valid.

 

[allvol123]

point of order, but do you mean the capitalizing of acronyms, which by rule are capitalized? i didn't see any actual "words" capitalized in the post you reference.

No, I meant the capitalizing of the first letter of words.

But since you are being picky, what does the acronym "UP" stand for?

 

[Sudden Impact]

now this little honey makes me very confident in your thinking. You're clearly issues driven and wholeheartedly believe in Obama because he's better prepared to be pres.

Maybe you could have added about 7 more paragraphs of nothing. The quality just kept going up withe each one, so 7 more would have probably started you on the road to a Pulitzer (that's a writin' prize).
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Wow! You just took up a lot of space to say nothing. But the capitalizing of random words was real cool.

You are right I have resorted to the Republican and the Sen Mc Cain/Palin way of arguing or dealing with the real issues. (Words that mean nothing and insults that have no bearing on the selection of the President). Tactic used for years by the Republican Party.

I was JUST GIVING YOU A TASTE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE. What you accused me of is what the MCCain/Palin ticket is Guilty Of by diverting away from the issues and by going over the top personally. Excuse the Blonde Moment.

Again, just like my post, it was a meaningless way of distorting the facts. What's sad is that it is the exact platform of this year's Republican Candidates. The Republicans do not want to address the issues because they know they will loose by a greater margin.

Desperate People take Desperate Measures. It is hard to believe that you are loosing Reality hits hard on Nov 6.

Simply put we(McCain/Palin) cannot win on the issues so we will slander/trick our way into the WH.
Laughable but true.

Got some news for you Ain't Going Happen.

 

[BigPapaVol]

I agree with the bold part, and have been very careful to make that clear.

The question was which democracies are working better than us and for what reasons. All I said was country A,B, and C surpass us in categories 1,2, and 3. I think it is absurd that you argue the point because you basically don't agree with the UN. I don't necessarily agree with the UN either, but the statistics are still valid.

I don't think the per capita giving stats are valid in the least.

I'm arguing that there are many more sets of variables that support that ours is the greatest society in the world. While some few may support everyone else, which is a part of the UN bent, the majority don't.

Regardless, none of those supports the point that those particular democracies are working better than ours. It's just a point that can't be made with a few stats. It's absolutely a holistic argument.

 

[rjd970]

I don't think the per capita giving stats are valid in the least.

I'm not necessarily arguing this point, but who do you think is more charitable...the guy making $100K/year giving $10K to charity, or the guy putting down $100M/year and giving a $1 Million to charity?

 

[BigPapaVol]

I'm not necessarily arguing this point, but who do you think is more charitable...the guy making $100K/year giving $10K to charity, or the guy putting down $100M/year and giving a $1 Million to charity?

I get the per capita argument, I promise. The guy that gives the most money is giving the most money. The guy meeting the most needs is the most charitable, regardless of how it relates to his fortune or income.

And how is that a relative measure of a society? It means they have a socialistic nature, which is exactly why their economies will never compete on a world class basis. Investment has always been the driver of future innovation and those giving away money aren't investing it.

 

[rjd970]

I get the per capita argument, I promise. The guy that gives the most money is giving the most money. The guy meeting the most needs is the most charitable, regardless of how it relates to his fortune or income.

I agree that the guy giving the most can help the most people, and a million dollars is a lot better than 10K. This is why the US is so important to the world.

The guy giving a bigger percentage of his fortune is more charitable. With charity, the intent and sacrifice is relevant. Trust me, I understand your point, but I think consideration of ability to give should be factored too. This takes nothing away from the guy that can give the higher real amount.

 

[BigPapaVol]

The guy giving a bigger percentage of his fortune is more charitable. With charity, the intent and sacrifice is relevant. Trust me, I understand your point, but I think consideration of ability to give should be factored too. This takes nothing away from the guy that can give the higher real amount.

not in evaluating a society in its greatness.

Our greatness and ability to donate in huge quantity is steeped in our economic structure and any survey that would discount that strength in the giving arena is flawed. Part of the massive difference in gross contribution is the socialist nature of the Euro democracies. They brag that they now form an economy larger than ours, yet give only a small fraction of US total giving. Something doesn't add up.

 

[MG1968]

Colin Powell was apparently pretty chummy with Ted Stevens. I guess he's not the great judge of character he was purported to be.

ABC News: Powell: Stevens' Character Is 'Sterling'

Political Radar: Powell's Obama Endorsement Raised at Stevens Corruption Trial

Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama's candidacy certainly got a lot of attention. But somewhat less well known has been his endorsement of a somewhat more controversial senator -- Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, who is currently on trial in federal court for alleged corruption.

Powell was a key defense witness in the month-long trial that is expected to go the jury tomorrow. Powell called Stevens' character "sterling" and said that "If you made a deal with Ted Stevens you knew it was good… [He] never would do anything that was improper."