College football is screwed now. There is an I in TEAM now!

[VOLtaism]

Once the NIL went into effect it could only be stopped by "lack of demand" for the product. It has actually increased demand thus far. I am curious how long it will last. It's a great lesson in unbridled capitalism.

 

[swampfoxfan]

Wow. You think you made a point.

He did

 

[first time caller]

I have a question to anyone who has been thru the student athlete experience. Does the player also benefit with their grades by transferring yearly? Seems we never hear of student athletes having to leave the team because of grades like we use to.

 

[swampfoxfan]

I’m sure you can use your company’s property to make tons of outside money and they’ll be ok with it.

That's the only way you can make extra money??
You can always pick berries after hours.

 

[swampfoxfan]

I posted in another thread...why can't the NCAA cap NIL to maybe 250k a year per player. I think that would solve (just about) everything in one move. Someone responded with "no" but didn't explain why that wouldn't be possible.

If the most you can make off of your NIL in college is 250k per year...you would have many more players staying at and picking schools based on staff, the school itself, system, etc. You would bring a bit of loyalty back and players would not be chasing paychecks year in and year out. If the star player(s) are already maxed out...it benefits them to stay in the same system, at the same school, and under the same coach. I think it would decrease transfers by 20-40% and still allow lesser players to chase the 250K max NIL at other schools. A wealthy school could max out it's entire roster at 25 mil which could bring Alabama-like dynasties back (which I don't like) but it would reduce the chaos considerably. It could also end up creating a new division of college football with the P4 (which I don't like either). You'd have to come up with a number that wealthy schools would have a hard time maxing out their entire roster with if you want the parody we have now without the chaos.

I agree that would solve a lot of problems, but didn't the SCOTUS prohibit that?

 

[76volman]

THE ORIGINAL POSTER OF THIS IS 110% ACCURATELY RIGHT. Give it another year or so and see that he is exactly correct for all teams-not just the vols

Thanks for the comment. I wish I was wrong. Maybe powers that be will see what is currently happening and get these problems solved or at least begin to.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

If I have to explain that to you, either you haven't been around college football long, or you are very young, or naive.

Your claims are delusional. That's the only rational explanation for it.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Who did we lose of great consequence? Must’ve missed it.

How is this “ruining college football”

There is zero loyalty from the players toward the university anymore as witnessed by the portal fishing expeditions that some are going on or have gone. They aren't tied to the university - where the real fans are - they can leave pretty much whenever they want. One of the reasons that pro sports sucks is that there is little if any loyalty to the fans. That is what is being ruined. I don't think the teams should even do Senior Day anymore because what used to be a celebration of a 'career' and VFL, is hardly there anymore. Just give 'em a paycheck and call it NFL lite. It's what the gamblers want.

 

[Vol8188]

There is zero loyalty from the players toward the university anymore as witnessed by the portal fishing expeditions that some are going on or have gone. They aren't tied to the university - where the real fans are - they can leave pretty much whenever they want. One of the reasons that pro sports sucks is that there is little if any loyalty to the fans. That is what is being ruined. I don't think the teams should even do Senior Day anymore because what used to be a celebration of a 'career' and VFL, is hardly there anymore. Just give 'em a paycheck and call it NFL lite. It's what the gamblers want.

If there’s zero loyalty, why did we lose only 1 starter?

A lot of this stuff is overstated

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Who does Nico have the Nil deal with?
I don't see him hawking cookies, fords, insurance, windows etc.
Maybe it's been discussed and I missed it.

When you are at that level, you don't have to do ads. You just get a check for that 'potential'.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

If there’s zero loyalty, why did we lose only 1 starter?

A lot of this stuff is overstated

Maybe for now, but this is the early stages of this. The money is going to get bigger, and if it hasn't already, it is going to go down to the high school level. And... there is NOTHING tying them to the university. That is what concerns me the most. All this crap about the players doing all the work is a bunch of noise that is being used to justify this chaos. And personally I think 1 starter is 1 too many. Now Josh probably has to walk some tight rope trying to get the rest of the primadonnas to stay on campus.

But then again, UT isn't anything special I guess. All that matters is getting paid.

 

[VolJarhead]

That violates federal antitrust laws and the ruling in the Ohio vs NCAA case

Try something that will keep school officials out of prison next time.

Seems to work for the military and plenty of government contract employees

 

[76volman]

Your claims are delusional. That's the only rational explanation for it.

Think the palmetto is affecting your bias. When did you get your degree in psychology?

 

[GAVol]

LOL.....I am sure you are the expert

I’m not an expert at all. Just pointing out that this change is not something that any of the power brokers in college football wanted any part of. They had it great raking in rights fees while using NCAA rules to hide behind amateurism and restrict player movement. This has all been brought on by federal judges and the Supreme Court.

 

[savannahfan]

Or you can accept change. I promise you that I understand it. It's more about not understanding change or the unwillingness to accept it

At this point I have experienced more change than your understanding of history covers. As to not excepting change, I think I have done fairly well. The bottom line in this situation is far from settling out. Change is usually evaluated by time and or history as you like. The change in sports at all levels caused by big money or the introduction of same has changed the game for the fan also. In my younger years you could at least for a year or two "attach" to a player on your favorite team. Now you can't even get through a season. (as we have just seen on our basketball team or Miami's qb quitting at half time) Yes I am willing to change, as I have been on the leading edge in some areas during my lifetime, but in this case,,, the higher ups in the college world should have left the "business" of the change in their domain to business pros. At this point in the process of change things are a mess, that having let Pandora out of the box will be hard to CHANGE.

 

[76volman]

I’m not an expert at all. Just pointing out that this change is not something that any of the power brokers in college football wanted any part of. They had it great raking in rights fees while using NCAA rules to hide behind amateurism and restrict player movement. This has all been brought on by federal judges and the Supreme Court.

I totally agree with you on the Supreme court. When college football players were allowed to be paid is when all this started. The problem is that the rules, (or lack of) became so obscured and ineffective in relation to collectives and allowing outside persons (even corporations) to influence and throw money at any athlete they wanted at a particular school. How does a college coach in this system manage and control this process, when you have 20-40 players on your current roster that will possibly leave, either through graduation or the portal? As stated in news articles here, Heupel plans on replenishing next years roster with incoming freshman that have signed, with currently ONE portal transferee. That my friend, IS CRAZY! I guess we will find out how good of a coach and his staff are this coming year, assuming no staff leave or are fired. The point I am making, is the reason I think Saban left Alabama. No coach will now be able to build a team with any longevity again. Head coaches and/or their staff will have to micromanage the players now with all of the outside influences (collective, boosters, sponsoring advertisers, agents, endorsements, and rabid UT fans). All this with a growing turnover rate in players coming and going. Only the best college football coaches with acute management skills will be able to pull this off. We will see what Heupel can do next year. My prediction will be around 7-5 because of the attrition and the lack of quality portal players. I hope for a better record.
Happy New Year!!

 

[GAVol]

I totally agree with you on the Supreme court. When college football players were allowed to be paid is when all this started. The problem is that the rules, (or lack of) became so obscured and ineffective in relation to collectives and allowing outside persons (even corporations) to influence and throw money at any athlete they wanted at a particular school. How does a college coach in this system manage and control this process, when you have 20-40 players on your current roster that will possibly leave, either through graduation or the portal? As stated in news articles here, Heupel plans on replenishing next years roster with incoming freshman that have signed, with currently ONE portal transferee. That my friend, IS CRAZY! I guess we will find out how good of a coach and his staff are this coming year, assuming no staff leave or are fired. The point I am making, is the reason I think Saban left Alabama. No coach will now be able to build a team with any longevity again. Head coaches and/or their staff will have to micromanage the players now with all of the outside influences (collective, boosters, sponsoring advertisers, agents, endorsements, and rabid UT fans). All this with a growing turnover rate in players coming and going. Only the best college football coaches with acute management skills will be able to pull this off. We will see what Heupel can do next year. My prediction will be around 7-5 because of the attrition and the lack of quality portal players. I hope for a better record.
Happy New Year!!

I totally agree with you. It’s going to become a lot more common to see teams go from 10 wins to 7 wins and vice versa and it’s going to require an adjustment in mindset until they figure out a way to obligate players to a program for multiple years by making them quasi employees and letting them collectively bargain.

 

[PalmettoStateVol]

I think the problem lies in that the average fan sees what is happening with 18 year old unproven kids getting millions of dollars, driving around in $150K dollar sports cars, wearing a $5K iced out necklace to throw and catch a football on Saturdays in the fall. Something that MILLIONS of kids out there would do for free for love of the game. Some would pay for it out of pocket if they were just given the chance to play in a place like Neyland Stadium. Will Brooks is a perfect example. More and more of those fans that continue to sacrifice other things to afford tickets with added "talent fees" and rising "ticket donations" are getting sick of not getting a return on their investment. You want to be paid millions, fine.....we expect an undefeated season. You want to be paid millions, fine....we better have an SEC Championship trophy at the end of the year. You want to be paid millions, fine....where's our National Championship? Oh, you got blown out in your CFP first round game, got embarrassed on a national stage, and looked below average and completely pedestrian while doing it? So, what is the money the fans "invested" in going to? Hope? Empty promises? Talk on Volnation about "It feels like '98" before the first game every year? While 10-3 is a great year for the VOLS, 10-3 every year isn't going to continue to get it done. Yeah, I know, Spyre is the collective that UT has that is paying out crazy money to these players. If you're not donating or buying season tickets then what are you complaining about...blah, blah, blah... Do you think the agents at Spyre really give a damn if the average Joe can afford a game in Neyland stadium? They're in Marketing...they care about one thing, duping the average Joe into parting with even more of their money so the fan can save $3.00 on an overpriced t-shirt. You have the possibility of getting an autograph from a kid making more than you are at your Engineering firm that probably isn't going to pan out or be around more than a few years! What a deal! But hey, that can koozie, power T sticker, and access to a tailgate that you got was well worth seeing that kid with potential get paid $100K per interception this year, right! The $25K per dropped wide open pass really has folks feeling good about skipping the purchase of that new reliable vehicle because they can't imagine not sitting in Neyland in the fall every year. The more the average person has to pay, the more the expectation rises. That is a proven scientific fact.

I don't think anybody has a good answer to the NIL situation that college sports is facing. Other than the Supreme Court reversing course, I don't think it can be fixed. The fact that a college education valued at around $100K, being catered to 24/7, living, eating, and being treated like royalty in your special dorms, cafeteria, and across campus over 4 years wasn't payment enough for these kids should tell everyone where our society is today. Greed and the love of money is a cancer. It's going to ultimately be the downfall of not only collegiate sports, but the American society as a whole.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/mar.21799#:~:text=Price and quality are positively,expectations of quality and liking.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I think the problem lies in that the average fan sees what is happening with 18 year old unproven kids getting millions of dollars, driving around in $150K dollar sports cars, wearing a $5K iced out necklace to throw and catch a football on Saturdays in the fall. Something that MILLIONS of kids out there would do for free for love of the game. Some would pay for it out of pocket if they were just given the chance to play in a place like Neyland Stadium. Will Brooks is a perfect example. More and more of those fans that continue to sacrifice other things to afford tickets with added "talent fees" and rising "ticket donations" are getting sick of not getting a return on their investment. You want to be paid millions, fine.....we expect an undefeated season. You want to be paid millions, fine....we better have an SEC Championship trophy at the end of the year. You want to be paid millions, fine....where's our National Championship? Oh, you got blown out in your CFP first round game, got embarrassed on a national stage, and looked below average and completely pedestrian while doing it? So, what is the money the fans "invested" in going to? Hope? Empty promises? Talk on Volnation about "It feels like '98" before the first game every year? While 10-3 is a great year for the VOLS, 10-3 every year isn't going to continue to get it done. Yeah, I know, Spyre is the collective that UT has that is paying out crazy money to these players. If you're not donating or buying season tickets then what are you complaining about...blah, blah, blah... Do you think the agents at Spyre really give a damn if the average Joe can afford a game in Neyland stadium? They're in Marketing...they care about one thing, duping the average Joe into parting with even more of their money so the fan can save $3.00 on an overpriced t-shirt. You have the possibility of getting an autograph from a kid making more than you are at your Engineering firm that probably isn't going to pan out or be around more than a few years! What a deal! But hey, that can koozie, power T sticker, and access to a tailgate that you got was well worth seeing that kid with potential get paid $100K per interception this year, right! The $25K per dropped wide open pass really has folks feeling good about skipping the purchase of that new reliable vehicle because they can't imagine not sitting in Neyland in the fall every year. The more the average person has to pay, the more the expectation rises. That is a proven scientific fact.

I don't think anybody has a good answer to the NIL situation that college sports is facing. Other than the Supreme Court reversing course, I don't think it can be fixed. The fact that a college education valued at around $100K, being catered to 24/7, living, eating, and being treated like royalty in your special dorms, cafeteria, and across campus over 4 years wasn't payment enough for these kids should tell everyone where our society is today. Greed and the love of money is a cancer. It's going to ultimately be the downfall of not only collegiate sports, but the American society as a whole.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/mar.21799#:~:text=Price and quality are positively,expectations of quality and liking.

The Supreme Court isn't going to reverse course. They slammed the NCAA 9-0 in the Alston case. Those unanimous decisions rarely occur on any topic. When a SCOTUS that is so ideologically divided that they can't agree on where to eat lunch decides anything 9-0, they're not going to change their minds.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I totally agree with you on the Supreme court. When college football players were allowed to be paid is when all this started. The problem is that the rules, (or lack of) became so obscured and ineffective in relation to collectives and allowing outside persons (even corporations) to influence and throw money at any athlete they wanted at a particular school. How does a college coach in this system manage and control this process, when you have 20-40 players on your current roster that will possibly leave, either through graduation or the portal? As stated in news articles here, Heupel plans on replenishing next years roster with incoming freshman that have signed, with currently ONE portal transferee. That my friend, IS CRAZY! I guess we will find out how good of a coach and his staff are this coming year, assuming no staff leave or are fired. The point I am making, is the reason I think Saban left Alabama. No coach will now be able to build a team with any longevity again. Head coaches and/or their staff will have to micromanage the players now with all of the outside influences (collective, boosters, sponsoring advertisers, agents, endorsements, and rabid UT fans). All this with a growing turnover rate in players coming and going. Only the best college football coaches with acute management skills will be able to pull this off. We will see what Heupel can do next year. My prediction will be around 7-5 because of the attrition and the lack of quality portal players. I hope for a better record.
Happy New Year!!

So, the coaches will have to work harder and smarter to be successful in order to earn their millions now? Cry me a river.