College football is screwed now. There is an I in TEAM now!

[76volman]

Just explaining current events.

LOL.....I am sure you are the expert

 

[Doctrippin]

So the powers that be wanted college football players to be paid. So be it. Also wanted to let players transfer anytime they want.....so be it!. So, now that everyone has taken a minute to watch the new rules (or lack of) in college football and basketball did it get better for everyone? Doesn't seem so does it? Maybe for only one part of it, and that is the player. The player has received the best benefit of all in getting paid and being able to go anywhere they want at almost anytime they want. A lot of smart people saw this coming and have sounded off, some , even great college coaches have decided to hang it up because they say what was to come is NOW here. Vol fans are now reaping this 1st act of a crap show with loss of players in the portal, and corruption with other teams trying to steal the best players you have on your team. I for one hate it as a VOL fan for 60 years. There is a big I in TEAM now, and it can and eventually will ruin college football for ALL OF US. This Christmas was the first time I received a piece of TENNESSEE VOL fan wear and really didn't get excited about it. Thankfully it wasn't one with a players' name on it that will probably never play for UT again.

Hopefully, this crap show will change soon.

Wait til they get a players union set up. It's only a matter of time before that happens

 

[76volman]

Or you can accept change. I promise you that I understand it. It's more about not understanding change or the unwillingness to accept it

Bernard wants everyone in college football to accept these changes at will and without question, obviously. I guess he accepts any change without asking why or what good it does for both sides. That's OK . But not everyone in the world, especially fans like the changes being made and the results of these changes. Ask how many college football coaches like the changes and the total lack of being able to manage a TEAM now. Heck, coaches have no clue as to who is going to be on the spring squad next year at this point in time. College football coaches now have to work 5 times as hard to just keep a competitive team on the field. I don't blame the players at all!! As a player, I would love this dumpster fire of new rules and exploit it to my advantage. But as a fan, my expectations are that UT has a 7-5 season next year, maybe slightly better. My point is ....college football coaches will have no path to developing at solid team with just HS players anymore and the portal will become a crap shoot. If you don't have a very solid group of assistant coaches, and are not willing to fire them, the the sh*t show of coaching carousel begins. And who wants to see that 15 year dynasty of losing again?

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

I don’t disagree with most of that. I think it will be much better when they are actually. “employees”. There just needs to be stricter regulation. You can spin it how you’d like, but these are still “students”. This is not the NFL. If it’s gonna be, then fine. Sign the contracts and pay based on achievements. Paying a 17 year old who was great against other 16 year olds 8 million before they’ve ever taken a meaningful snap is a little silly.

There does you need to be stricter regulation.
What kind of a sicko wants to exert that kind of control freakishness over other people?

 

[NEWDAYVOL]

I posted in another thread...why can't the NCAA cap NIL to maybe 250k a year per player. I think that would solve (just about) everything in one move. Someone responded with "no" but didn't explain why that wouldn't be possible.

If the most you can make off of your NIL in college is 250k per year...you would have many more players staying at and picking schools based on staff, the school itself, system, etc. You would bring a bit of loyalty back and players would not be chasing paychecks year in and year out. If the star player(s) are already maxed out...it benefits them to stay in the same system, at the same school, and under the same coach. I think it would decrease transfers by 20-40% and still allow lesser players to chase the 250K max NIL at other schools. A wealthy school could max out it's entire roster at 25 mil which could bring Alabama-like dynasties back (which I don't like) but it would reduce the chaos considerably. It could also end up creating a new division of college football with the P4 (which I don't like either). You'd have to come up with a number that wealthy schools would have a hard time maxing out their entire roster with if you want the parody we have now without the chaos.

 

[K87vol]

I posted in another thread...why can't the NCAA cap NIL to maybe 250k a year per player. I think that would solve (just about) everything in one move. Someone responded with "no" but didn't explain why that wouldn't be possible.

If the most you can make off of your NIL in college is 250k per year...you would have many more players staying at and picking schools based on staff, the school itself, system, etc. You would bring a bit of loyalty back and players would not be chasing paychecks year in and year out. If the star player(s) are already maxed out...it benefits them to stay in the same system, at the same school, and under the same coach. I think it would decrease transfers by 20-40% and still allow lesser players to chase the 250K max NIL at other schools. A wealthy school could max out it's entire roster at 25 mil which could bring Alabama-like dynasties back (which I don't like) but it would reduce the chaos considerably. It could also end up creating a new division of college football with the P4 (which I don't like either). You'd have to come up with a number that wealthy schools would have a hard time maxing out their entire roster with if you want the parody we have now without the chaos.

NCAA has NO control over NIL. It would be against law as I understand everything currently.

 

[BARknox bouncer]

There’s always a I in wIn

 

[Berry4Heisman14]

I don’t care how much they make I just don’t think they should be able to transfer to inter conference teams and be eligible immediately

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I posted in another thread...why can't the NCAA cap NIL to maybe 250k a year per player. I think that would solve (just about) everything in one move. Someone responded with "no" but didn't explain why that wouldn't be possible.

If the most you can make off of your NIL in college is 250k per year...you would have many more players staying at and picking schools based on staff, the school itself, system, etc. You would bring a bit of loyalty back and players would not be chasing paychecks year in and year out. If the star player(s) are already maxed out...it benefits them to stay in the same system, at the same school, and under the same coach. I think it would decrease transfers by 20-40% and still allow lesser players to chase the 250K max NIL at other schools. A wealthy school could max out it's entire roster at 25 mil which could bring Alabama-like dynasties back (which I don't like) but it would reduce the chaos considerably. It could also end up creating a new division of college football with the P4 (which I don't like either). You'd have to come up with a number that wealthy schools would have a hard time maxing out their entire roster with if you want the parody we have now without the chaos.

Can you imagine the NBA telling Steph Curry he can't make over $250k (or any amount) from commercials, etc (which is what NIL is) outside of his salary?

That's what you're asking for. The NCAA IS going to limit the schools to about $20M for revenue sharing, essentially but not quite salaries, for players.

Suggesting the NCAA should be able to limit whether a player can make a commercial and get paid on their own time is pretty unAmerican, isn't it? What could possibly give them the right to prevent a player from doing what lots of Americans do...... trying to make a little money with a legal side hustle?

 

[laroc99a]

So the powers that be wanted college football players to be paid. So be it. Also wanted to let players transfer anytime they want.....so be it!. So, now that everyone has taken a minute to watch the new rules (or lack of) in college football and basketball did it get better for everyone? Doesn't seem so does it? Maybe for only one part of it, and that is the player. The player has received the best benefit of all in getting paid and being able to go anywhere they want at almost anytime they want. A lot of smart people saw this coming and have sounded off, some , even great college coaches have decided to hang it up because they say what was to come is NOW here. Vol fans are now reaping this 1st act of a crap show with loss of players in the portal, and corruption with other teams trying to steal the best players you have on your team. I for one hate it as a VOL fan for 60 years. There is a big I in TEAM now, and it can and eventually will ruin college football for ALL OF US. This Christmas was the first time I received a piece of TENNESSEE VOL fan wear and really didn't get excited about it. Thankfully it wasn't one with a players' name on it that will probably never play for UT again.

Hopefully, this crap show will change soon.

Maybe not an I but there has always been a me

 

[EastTNVol6240]

Can you imagine the NBA telling Steph Curry he can't make over $250k (or any amount) from commercials, etc (which is what NIL is) outside of his salary?

That's what you're asking for. The NCAA IS going to limit the schools to about $20M for revenue sharing, essentially but not quite salaries, for players.

Suggesting the NCAA should be able to limit whether a player can make a commercial and get paid on their own time is pretty unAmerican, isn't it? What could possibly give them the right to prevent a player from doing what lots of Americans do...... trying to make a little money with a legal side hustle?

Not the NBA and these aren’t “professionals”. They are students. Everyone conveniently keeps leaving that part out.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Bernard wants everyone in college football to accept these changes at will and without question, obviously. I guess he accepts any change without asking why or what good it does for both sides. That's OK . But not everyone in the world, especially fans like the changes being made and the results of these changes. Ask how many college football coaches like the changes and the total lack of being able to manage a TEAM now. Heck, coaches have no clue as to who is going to be on the spring squad next year at this point in time. College football coaches now have to work 5 times as hard to just keep a competitive team on the field. I don't blame the players at all!! As a player, I would love this dumpster fire of new rules and exploit it to my advantage. But as a fan, my expectations are that UT has a 7-5 season next year, maybe slightly better. My point is ....college football coaches will have no path to developing at solid team with just HS players anymore and the portal will become a crap shoot. If you don't have a very solid group of assistant coaches, and are not willing to fire them, the the sh*t show of coachingy mouth carousel begins. And who wants to see that 15 year dynasty of losing again?

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said not to question it nor did I say guardrails aren't needed. Certainly strict regs are needed, but that will take time while in this process of change. It must be ever evolving.

 

[fossilfiction]

LOL......so you think you know me? Laughing at you!!!

Yes, you have been complaining about NIL ruining the game for a year. You will be here doing the same in another year if I had to bet on it.

 

[Jravol78]

It’s hard to argue that players shouldn’t be allowed to profit monetarily from their talents, especially given the obscene amount of money that universities, broadcast outlets, sports apparel companies, coaches, and many others are making off the sport. Should there be some kind of regulation? Probably. But given where the courts have come down, doing that is a tall order for the foreseeable future.

To me, a more complicated matter is the unlimited transfer stuff. That is something that could BEGIN to get addressed through changing the transfer windows. Still lots more that needs to be done, but at least that’s a start. As long as coaches can go mercenary with little or no consequence, there is no justification in significantly limiting the players’ ability to depart for other opportunities. Even the saintly and beloved Rick Barnes was ready to leave us for UCLA just a few years ago - and the only reason he didn’t was because they couldn’t reach an agreement on $.

The danger in all of this is that college sports loses that team-centric spirit that makes it unique. The NBA has become so player-centric that I don’t know why they still have team names based in specific locations. There are few rivalries left in the NBA. It’s all about individual players — Stop referring to the LA Lakers and just call them “Team LaBron.” Since Kyrie Irvin declared that the Nets didn’t need to hire a GM because he and KD were the real GMs, I lost what little care I had left about pro basketball.

How do balance the need to give the players the freedom they are entitled to regarding pay and mobility without robbing the college game of what makes it special?

2d

 

[HeavenUniversity]

It’s not ruining college football. It already has. We just haven’t gotten to the bottom yet. You’ll see

At some point, some of the ACC and Big 12 schools will start cutting some sports in order to come up with the $20 million figure that is being thrown around for NIL money in 2025. I am assuming that many of the Group of Five schools will not be able to get to that number unless they just get down to football, baseball, and basketball for guys and a reduced number of girls sports. Eventually some of the Group of Five schools will drop football or drop down to Division 1-AA. The Big Ten and SEC will leave some College Football Playoff money crumbs for the Big 12 and ACC for maybe a decade with practically nothing for Group of Five schools. It will make no sense for Temple, UAB, Tulsa, Kent State, Louisiana-Monroe, etc. to try to compete at the Division 1-A level. Then comes the Super League and say good-bye to Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College…

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

There should just be a 4 year contract that needs to be honored by the player and the school. If they transfer, they can still get an education because that's what college is for, but no football at the new institution period.

That violates federal antitrust laws and the ruling in the Ohio vs NCAA case

Try something that will keep school officials out of prison next time.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Not the NBA and these aren’t “professionals”. They are students. Everyone conveniently keeps leaving that part out.

Doesn't matter. Could anyone tell a kid that they can't make a commercial in school?

Just because you're not a pro doesn't mean you don't have NIL rights. I've got friends who have a grand who make commercials. Middle school kid.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

At some point, some of the ACC and Big 12 schools will start cutting some sports in order to come up with the $20 million figure that is being thrown around for NIL money in 2025. I am assuming that many of the Group of Five schools will not be able to get to that number unless they just get down to football, baseball, and basketball for guys and a reduced number of girls sports. Eventually some of the Group of Five schools will drop football or drop down to Division 1-AA. The Big Ten and SEC will leave some College Football Playoff money crumbs for the Big 12 and ACC for maybe a decade with practically nothing for Group of Five schools. It will make no sense for Temple, UAB, Tulsa, Kent State, Louisiana-Monroe, etc. to try to compete at the Division 1-A level. Then comes the Super League and say good-bye to Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College…

They don't HAVE to come up with $20M but they can't go over the limit. Under is fine.

And yes, this is going to destroy small schools and hurt a lot of athletes and UT is part of the "let's sue the NCAA so we can do what we want with transfers and NIL problem." People blame the athletes for growing up in 2024 instead of 1964.

The system is made and sued into the form it is in by the major colleges. The NCAA has no choice but to roll over every time a school like UT threatens to sue the heck out of them for trying to regulate NIL or transfers.

 

[Rememberthelate90s]

So they should get a free education while billions are being made by others? Sorry but the laws of this country rightfully disagree with you.

Lots of pro athletes make more than their coaches. Should that be changed as well?

Tn doesn't make billions. Or we'd have no problem paying athletes. And players don't make more than the Jerry Jones. Trust me on that one kid. The head coach isn't the boss.

The boss is the one who can't lose his job.

 

[Other_Guy]

Who did we lose of great consequence? Must’ve missed it.

How is this “ruining college football”

Remember when Tenn lost out on Lawrence and rogers because the coaches were idiots? Good times

 

[orangerush]

There’s always been “me” in team.

 

[1Big_Orange_Fan]

Odd for a man incapable of defending his own arguments to accuse others of being “idiots”

Why should he have to explain. I assume you are smart enough to know exactly what he is talking about. You may not agree and certainly seem to want to argue. For most fans, losing multiple players each season to transfers sucks since we invest emotionally in them. Maybe you don’t so it doesn’t affect you but most do.

 

[rfloptenn]

So the powers that be wanted college football players to be paid. So be it. Also wanted to let players transfer anytime they want.....so be it!. So, now that everyone has taken a minute to watch the new rules (or lack of) in college football and basketball did it get better for everyone? Doesn't seem so does it? Maybe for only one part of it, and that is the player. The player has received the best benefit of all in getting paid and being able to go anywhere they want at almost anytime they want. A lot of smart people saw this coming and have sounded off, some , even great college coaches have decided to hang it up because they say what was to come is NOW here. Vol fans are now reaping this 1st act of a crap show with loss of players in the portal, and corruption with other teams trying to steal the best players you have on your team. I for one hate it as a VOL fan for 60 years. There is a big I in TEAM now, and it can and eventually will ruin college football for ALL OF US. This Christmas was the first time I received a piece of TENNESSEE VOL fan wear and really didn't get excited about it. Thankfully it wasn't one with a players' name on it that will probably never play for UT again.

Hopefully, this crap show will change soon.

 

[rfloptenn]

Why should he have to explain. I assume you are smart enough to know exactly what he is talking about. You may not agree and certainly seem to want to argue. For most fans, losing multiple players each season to transfers sucks since we invest emotionally in them. Maybe you don’t so it doesn’t affect you but most do.

THE ORIGINAL POSTER OF THIS IS 110% ACCURATELY RIGHT. Give it another year or so and see that he is exactly correct for all teams-not just the vols

 

[swampfoxfan]

Coaches can change jobs whenever they want, most have to pay a buyout, sometimes substantial. With how much time and expense is put into a player to get him ready to contribute, maybe colleges need to put a buy out clause in NIL deals.