College Hoops Around The Country [TN opponents, RPI, others]

[Volfan1000]

Watch KU only drop a few spots after going 0-2 this week

Kansas may go 0-2 this upcoming week with road trips at Waco and Lexington.

 

[berryvol]

Bama does have a good D, but they do = 180th scoring D…….so they give up points.

If they have some troubles scoring…….their D could very well get them in trouble, simply because they give up nearly 70 points per game.

Their scoring defense is so low bc they play so fast, therefore there are more possessions in their games. They’ve also really buckled down on D in conference play. Their defense is legit.

 

[cardvolfan]

Their scoring defense is so low bc they play so fast, therefore there are more possessions in their games. They’ve also really buckled down on D in conference play. Their defense is legit.

I’m amazed at the number of “bad D” statements. I guess people legitimately don’t understand the pace of play concept and how that relates (or doesn’t) to points scored.

 

[kckempf]

I’m amazed at the number of “bad D” statements. I guess people legitimately don’t understand the pace of play concept and how that relates (or doesn’t) to points scored.

Probably has something to do with their defensive performances against Connecticut, Memphis, and Gonzaga, which are outliers but are also games this audience was more likely to have seen. They're 4th in adjusted tempo and 5th in adjusted defense at this point in Kenpom. We don't exactly slow things down, but we're 202nd in tempo, partly because we're close to the mean.

 

[cardvolfan]

Probably has something to do with their defensive performances against Connecticut, Memphis, and Gonzaga, which are outliers but are also games this audience was more likely to have seen. They're 4th in adjusted tempo and 5th in adjusted defense at this point in Kenpom. We don't exactly slow things down, but we're 202nd in tempo, partly because we're close to the mean.

Good stuff. Thanks for that information.

 

[BruisedOrange]

From KenPom:


Reload arguments and carry on.

 

[JoAllan]

Their scoring defense is so low bc they play so fast, therefore there are more possessions in their games. They’ve also really buckled down on D in conference play. Their defense is legit.

I know about pace. However as suggested if they have scoring problems (of their own) their D could very well give them problems because they give up 70 a game.

You think they going to suddenly turn into Houston if their having an off night shooting (pace wise)? No they are who they are…….therefore they will still give up points.

As stated I know they have a good defense. However certain factors can really come back to bite you. Like giving up 70 per game. If your not getting yours…….that simple 70 could bite you not to mention someone else having a hot game.

 

[berryvol]

I know about pace. However as suggested if they have scoring problems (of their own) their D could very well give them problems because they give up 70 a game.

You think they going to suddenly turn into Houston if their having an off night shooting (pace wise)? No they are who they are…….therefore they will still give up points.

As stated I know they have a good defense. However certain factors can really come back to bite you. Like giving up 70 per game. If your not getting yours…….that simple 70 could bite you not to mention someone else having a hot game.

They haven’t even allowed 70 points since conference play started. As I stated, their conference defense has really been great. Their scoring numbers are also inflated by a 4 OT game to UNC and a Gonzaga game that featured almost 200 possessions in total. The cherry on top of your bad take is that they literally beat Houston on their home court and only scored 70!! They played Houston’s style and won.

 

[berryvol]

The best ways to beat bama are to be able get in the paint and finish efficiently and to turn them over and create easy chances off them. They definitely have a turnover issue and don’t cause many on the other end. This is where we can thrive against them.

 

[JoAllan]

They haven’t even allowed 70 points since conference play started. As I stated, their conference defense has really been great. Their scoring numbers are also inflated by a 4 OT game to UNC and a Gonzaga game that featured almost 200 possessions in total. The cherry on top of your bad take is that they literally beat Houston on their home court and only scored 70!! They played Houston’s style and won.

And?

Please try sticking to my actual post if you want to discredit. Where did I say they couldn’t beat good teams? Or even Houston? I said they play at a certain pace……and they do. They give up a certain amount of points…..and they do.

I said “if they have problems scoring” they could have problems because they give up points.

During their last 4 SEC games they have given up over 66 points per game……..around 3 points less than their season average. So yes they do give up points.

I also said in my original post they have a good D. So I’m not sure why your getting your Alabama panties in a wad. No doubt they have a good defense……..however unless they want to change how they play their D will give up points……..if they find themselves not hitting shots………it could bite them.

Just as I said in my other posts…….nothing more, nothing less.

 

[SGMVols]

Zags struggling again with Pacific at the half. Their conference is pathetic

Their entire resume is centered around beating Alabama. The LMU loss should take them out of 1 seed consideration

 

[kckempf]

I know about pace. However as suggested if they have scoring problems (of their own) their D could very well give them problems because they give up 70 a game.

You think they going to suddenly turn into Houston if their having an off night shooting (pace wise)? No they are who they are…….therefore they will still give up points.

As stated I know they have a good defense. However certain factors can really come back to bite you. Like giving up 70 per game. If your not getting yours…….that simple 70 could bite you not to mention someone else having a hot game.

It's important to remember how they give up 70 (or a bit less in conference play). They allow a little more than us in points per possession and end their possessions very quickly with their own shots. So they're not "giving up points", their opponents are getting a lot of possessions. They would need to have a very poor offensive game (less that 1 point per possession) to lose if they achieve their typical defensive efficiency.

 

[JoAllan]

It's important to remember how they give up 70 (or a bit less in conference play). They allow a little more than us in points per possession and end their possessions very quickly with their own shots. So they're not "giving up points", their opponents are getting a lot of possessions. They would need to have a very poor offensive game (less that 1 point per possession) to lose if they achieve their typical defensive efficiency.

oh my goodness

ok for like the 5th time.

I know they have a good defense. I look at Kenpom too. I also know about pace…….just as I have stated.

In their past 4 SEC games they have given over 66 per game. “If” they have A game or some games in which they struggle shooting the ball they could have problems because of how they play………however points per is still a “defensive” stat. No where…….absolutely no where am I saying or have I said their D is not good or even great. No where have I stated they don’t give up because of pace………however that pace is who they are.

If they aren’t hitting shots that pace and the number of points they give up “could” come back to bite them.

You play fast, score a lot and give up points……what’s going to happen when you don’t score so much sometime? You could find yourself in a close game in which you lose at the end.

 

[kckempf]

oh my goodness

ok for like the 5th time.

I know they have a good defense. I look at Kenpom too. I also know about pace…….just as I have stated.

In their past 4 SEC games they have given over 66 per game. “If” they have A game or some games in which they struggle shooting the ball they could have problems because of how they play………however points per is still a “defensive” stat. No where…….absolutely no where am I saying or have I said their D is not good or even great. No where have I stated they don’t give up because of pace………however that pace is who they are.

If they aren’t hitting shots that pace and the number of points they give up “could” come back to bite them.

You play fast, score a lot and give up points……what’s going to happen when you don’t score so much sometime? You could find yourself in a close game in which you lose at the end.

That's the thing, outside of some outliers they don't "give up points". Look at the game against Arkansas, they played worse than average on offense but at an even faster tempo. Arkansas couldn't take advantage because Alabama was forcing turnovers and bad shots. To beat Alabama by just limiting their offense you need to hold them to a very low efficiency, like scoring once every three possessions. Realistically you also have to play better on offense than they allow on average.

 

[JoAllan]

My bad VolNation

Alabama is the greatest basketball team of all time.

Even if they were to have a terrible night shooting the ball……even if they have a game where they can’t hit a 3 to save their lives………they will still win.

it does not matter their pace lends to a higher scoring game……..even if for some reason Bama can’t score……..Bama will still win……apparently they are above every team that’s ever been in existence.

my bad, I didn’t know but now I do.

 

[kckempf]

My bad VolNation

Alabama is the greatest basketball team of all time.

Even if they were to have a terrible night shooting the ball……even if they have a game where they can’t hit a 3 to save their lives………they will still win.

it does not matter their pace lends to a higher scoring game……..even if for some reason Bama can’t score……..Bama will still win……apparently they are above every team that’s ever been in existence.

my bad, I didn’t know but now I do.

The formula you offer is just to keep Alabama from scoring. That's not enough. You also have to score better than they usually allow, which is a thing we've done.

The way you're describing their game implies that their tempo itself is a defensive deficiency, when the results and the statistics show that isn't true. The old Westhead run-and-gun offenses used tempo this way, but the Spurs and Warriors offenses that flipped the NBA in recent years were paired with high efficiency defenses that especially limited opposition three pointers.

 

[JoAllan]

That's the thing, outside of some outliers they don't "give up points". Look at the game against Arkansas, they played worse than average on offense but at an even faster tempo. Arkansas couldn't take advantage because Alabama was forcing turnovers and bad shots. To beat Alabama by just limiting their offense you need to hold them to a very low efficiency, like scoring once every three possessions. Realistically you also have to play better on offense than they allow on average.

during the Arkansas gsme Bama shot the ball above their average, they shot the 3 above their average, they turned the ball over less than their average, they just didn’t rebound as well as normal.

Using the Arkansas game as a rebuttal to my post isn’t quite fair. I quite plainly stated if Bama had a game/games when they didn’t shoot the ball well………..they shot over 46% and shot 45% from 3.

That’s not quite having a bad night shooting the ball.

If they had shot the ball at 35-36%……..the game “could” have been quite different.

I also never said “anyone” could beat them. I said “if they had a bad night shooting” they could lose because of the points they allow……given their pace (all of which is true).

 

[JoAllan]

The formula you offer is just to keep Alabama from scoring. That's not enough. You also have to score better than they usually allow, which is a thing we've done.

The way you're describing their game implies that their tempo itself is a defensive deficiency, when the results and the statistics show that isn't true. The old Westhead run-and-gun offenses used tempo this way, but the Spurs and Warriors offenses that flipped the NBA in recent years were paired with high efficiency defenses that especially limited opposition three pointers.

lol

You obviously don’t read.

I didn’t provide a “formula.”

I simply said they “could” lose a game if they had a bad night shooting the ball……….because they give up points. Sure they give up points because of the pace they play……but that’s no concern to me. The fact is they give up the points……..unless they change the way they play.

 

[kckempf]

lol

You obviously don’t read.

I didn’t provide a “formula.”

I simply said they “could” lose a game if they had a bad night shooting the ball……….because they give up points. Sure they give up points because of the pace they play……but that’s no concern to me. The fact is they give up the points……..unless they change the way they play.

They did have an awful shooting night against USA and they still won without reducing tempo because they shut them down defensively. An awful shooting night for them still means over 60 points, more than enough to win if they play defense, and they typically do.

 

[JoAllan]

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They did have an awful shooting night against USA and they still won without reducing tempo because they shut them down defensively. An awful shooting night for them still means over 60 points, more than enough to win if they play defense, and they typically do.

This is exactly what I’m talking about.

What do you think might have happened if they were playing a good team rather than 8-12 South Bama?

No where did I say they will lose any game…….I said they “could” lose.

If they have a game like that vs Tennessee or even Auburn………they would lose. Heck they “could” lose to some other decent teams if they have bad nights.

 

[kckempf]

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This is exactly what I’m talking about.

What do you think might have happened if they were playing a good team rather than 8-12 South Bama?

No where did I say they will lose any game…….I said they “could” lose.

If they have a game like that vs Tennessee or even Auburn………they would lose. Heck they “could” lose to some other decent teams if they have bad nights.

None of that is unique to tempo, though. We have lost games where we shot poorly, namely against Kentucky, and it really wouldn't have mattered if we had 20 more possessions. It's the same deal with Alabama, you can't count on their style of play hurting them, you've got to go out and beat them.

 

[cardvolfan]

Drilling down and finding the reasons as to limiting points allows you to surmise the steps that are required to have an effect on such points. It all fits like a jigsaw puzzle.

 

[JoAllan]

None of that is unique to tempo, though. We have lost games where we shot poorly, namely against Kentucky, and it really wouldn't have mattered if we had 20 more possessions. It's the same deal with Alabama, you can't count on their style of play hurting them, you've got to go out and beat them.

My goodness I’m not counting on anything.

I’m simply saying they can/might lose a couple especially if they have an off night shooting.

Their pace leads to more scoring. If they shoot 35% and aren’t hitting 3’s vs a good team……..they very well may lose.

 

[Sudden Impact]

This game will come down to their 3pt shooting vs our 3pt defense.
2nd Fouls and Refs.
Length.

 

[kckempf]

My goodness I’m not counting on anything.

I’m simply saying they can/might lose a couple especially if they have an off night shooting.

Their pace leads to more scoring. If they shoot 35% and aren’t hitting 3’s vs a good team……..they very well may lose.

That's a bad enough performance that we would have trouble winning if we did that.