Colorado’s chaotic culture

[Voltopia]

I lost any respect I had left for Deion(which wasn't much)when he started telling recruits they should play for a coach that "looks like them". He isn't a football coach and Colorado isn't a football team...this is a dog and pony show. He is using the last of his marketable worth like a cash cow. It will crash and burn like anything else that has no real substance. It will be entertaining, but he will have ruined the futures of a lot of good kids when the smoke clears.

This is a great summary of the Deion circus in Denver. Everything is a show to keep up the hustle. None of it is about creating anything lasting or impactful for the young men there as students at Colorado. It's just a show, a spectacle called Deion Sanders, which will last as long as their fans tolerate it.

To quote that dude from the angry billionaires show - "None of you are serious people."

 

[PA Vol]

The first 3 games and the hype that created alone might have paid for his entire contract.

They had absolutely nothing to lose by hiring him and unless there is some kind of Baylor-esque scandal that occurs on his watch, I don't think there's a circumstance where they'd regret hiring him.

When he leaves, Colorado won't have a team to field. That entire roster will hit the portal.

 

[DaddyChad]

The issue is the chances for failure are way higher than any benefit. Is it worth it for this attention for a dude whose ceiling at this level is going to be 7 wins?

Honestly I think Colorado is considered a more high profile job now than when he got there. Maybe I’m wrong. Seems like he’s brought more attention and money into the program

 

[LouderVol]

Honestly I think Colorado is considered a more high profile job now than when he got there. Maybe I’m wrong. Seems like he’s brought more attention and money into the program

that will likely be extremely temporary once he leaves if he doesn't find consistent success. and success at Colorado will just be multiple 8 win seasons.

 

[DaddyChad]

that will likely be extremely temporary once he leaves if he doesn't find consistent success. and success at Colorado will just be multiple 8 win seasons.

I agree. In the current environment I think they’re even less likely to succeed than they were a few years ago. He at least increased the cash inflow into that program. I do think that’s going to be one ugly divorce when it happens.

 

[05_never_again]

When he leaves, Colorado won't have a team to field. That entire roster will hit the portal.

You're probably right, but I don't think they care. Hell, they had a ton of players hit the Portal after last season with Deion there.

 

[05_never_again]

Honestly I think Colorado is considered a more high profile job now than when he got there. Maybe I’m wrong. Seems like he’s brought more attention and money into the program

It depends on the reason he leaves. If he's fired because they are winning 2 or 3 games a year, then they'll be right back where they were before they hired him (which they're OK with; they've already made a lot of money off of it). The reason they hired Deion to begin with is because it isn't like they have anything to lose.

If he leaves on his own for greener pastures, then presumably they would have been doing OK as a program and they'd be in a position to hire at least a decent coach.

 

[WillisWG]

do the Buffs win 5?

 

[I4Vols]

Honestly I think Colorado is considered a more high profile job now than when he got there. Maybe I’m wrong. Seems like he’s brought more attention and money into the program

If by "high profile" you mean all the druggies at Boulder's elevation, then I agree

And if the Broncos finally show any signs of life this year and the Buffs sink again, the locals and their sports talkies will ignore CU just like before Deion

 

[adam.vol]

This is a great summary of the Deion circus in Denver. Everything is a show to keep up the hustle. None of it is about creating anything lasting or impactful for the young men there as students at Colorado. It's just a show, a spectacle called Deion Sanders, which will last as long as their fans tolerate it.

To quote that dude from the angry billionaires show - "None of you are serious people."

Most of us rational people would love to see him at a place like Florida or Alabama. He could do a lot more good for the Vols if he were at a rival school.

 

[adam.vol]

You're probably right, but I don't think they care. Hell, they had a ton of players hit the Portal after last season with Deion there.

My wife watched a show called “Last Chance U” during covid. That seems to be Dione’s model for running Colorado.

 

[Deathandtaxes]

Some of these quotes just seem fake. I know they are not but it’s like twilight reading them

 

[GVF]

His primary goal of going to CU was to get his beloved QB son into any D1 limelight and CU was the only school offering.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

This is a great summary of the Deion circus in Denver. Everything is a show to keep up the hustle. None of it is about creating anything lasting or impactful for the young men there as students at Colorado. It's just a show, a spectacle called Deion Sanders, which will last as long as their fans tolerate it.

To quote that dude from the angry billionaires show - "None of you are serious people."

Deion understands the college game because Deion was at FSU under Bobby Bowden.

For all of his FCA award named after him piety, what do you think Bobby Bowden created that was "lasting or impactful" for Deion besides letting him "attend" college without having to show up at those pesky classes?

Let's not pretend high level college football has been about "educating and developing character in these young men" for a long time.

 

[Voltopia]

Deion understands the college game because Deion was at FSU under Bobby Bowden.

For all of his FCA award named after him piety, what do you think Bobby Bowden created that was "lasting or impactful" for Deion besides letting him "attend" college without having to show up at those pesky classes?

Let's not pretend high level college football has been about "educating and developing character in these young men" for a long time.

Deion can understand the college game however he wants. That's in his past. His present is being the coach at Colorado, and his actions at Colorado will define what he creates there, and what his legacy will be. So far, it appears his legacy will be absolutely nothing of lasting significance or benefit. Oh, I suppose someone will say money, as if money alone is the sole proof of worth. And even that money will dry up once he runs out of excuses for his embarassing conduct.

I don't need to pretend about anything else to assert that Deion is surely the worst example of what some want college football to be, and a warning about where the sport of college football (and other sports) is going.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Deion can understand the college game however he wants. That's in his past. His present is being the coach at Colorado, and his actions at Colorado will define what he creates there, and what his legacy will be. So far, it appears his legacy will be absolutely nothing of lasting significance or benefit. Oh, I suppose someone will say money, as if money alone is the sole proof of worth. And even that money will dry up once he runs out of excuses for his embarassing conduct.

I don't need to pretend about anything else to assert that Deion is surely the worst example of what some want college football to be, and a warning about where the sport of college football (and other sports) is going.

And so was Bowden, Urban, etc.

Pinning it on Deion like it's not been a thing for decades is weak.

 

[stolitonic]

They may take some of the students, but they’re not taking additional students. I don’t think you can take those numbers to prove anything other than they received more papers in the mail. I can apply tomorrow without having took the SAT or ACT in 25 years. Doesn’t mean a thing.

Brother, I hate to break it to you-but success on the football field is a surefire way to boost your attendance. Both in quality and the overall number of students. More wins means more parties/social life and excitement. Very important to an 18 year old. All academics being equal, pick the place with the better social scene

It's not a new phenomena

Look at how Bama has steadily moved up in the rankings since Saban went there. I hate them, but they are in sooooooo much better shape now than they were 20 years ago.

FSU was a backwater until Bowden started winning there in the 80s

Hell, in my own day I saw this at GT. After they won in 90 applications spiked big time.

 

[Voltopia]

And so was Bowden, Urban, etc.

Pinning it on Deion like it's not been a thing for decades is weak.

I never pinned the sport's conduct issues on Deion. I said he's a hustler who has hustled Colorado and their fans, and that hustle is going to leave them with nothing when he's gone -- and he will be gone soon, I would guess. He isn't a good leader, and nothing he does will leave any lasting legacy beyond whatever spectacle he creates in the moment.

And beyond that, I do think he's the textbook example of where the sport could be (or maybe is) headed, which, shockingly, I do not think will be a good place. Again, that's not pinning it on Deion. That's just assessing his conduct as a representative of the school and as a leader of that program. If every other major power 5 coach is equally lousy and awful, then so be it. I don't think they are. I think Deion's a cut above. Or below? One of those two.

 

[adam.vol]

Brother, I hate to break it to you-but success on the football field is a surefire way to boost your attendance. Both in quality and the overall number of students. More wins means more parties/social life and excitement. Very important to an 18 year old. All academics being equal, pick the place with the better social scene

It's not a new phenomena

Look at how Bama has steadily moved up in the rankings since Saban went there. I hate them, but they are in sooooooo much better shape now than they were 20 years ago.

FSU was a backwater until Bowden started winning there in the 80s

Hell, in my own day I saw this at GT. After they won in 90 applications spiked big time.

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I think college kids looking to party care more about attractive people of the opposite sex than football. I went to TN and was more worried about my hangover on a Saturday than the game.

I can assure you that middle aged guys like me care more about college sports than a young single person full of hormones and surrounded by single attractive women.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I never pinned the sport's conduct issues on Deion. I said he's a hustler who has hustled Colorado and their fans, and that hustle is going to leave them with nothing when he's gone -- and he will be gone soon, I would guess. He isn't a good leader, and nothing he does will leave any lasting legacy beyond whatever spectacle he creates in the moment.

And beyond that, I do think he's the textbook example of where the sport could be (or maybe is) headed, which, shockingly, I do not think will be a good place. Again, that's not pinning it on Deion. That's just assessing his conduct as a representative of the school and as a leader of that program. If every other major power 5 coach is equally lousy and awful, then so be it. I don't think they are. I think Deion's a cut above. Or below? One of those two.

Colorado KNEW what they were getting with Deion. As the line goes in politics, "we're not hiring him because he's a choir boy." Colorado Football was completely in ruins and the school chose excitement and money over substance.

I don't think Deion has misrepresented what he'd LIKE the young men to do, but he knows EXACTLY what he did in college. Maybe you didn't act the fool in college, but I did..... and many do..... and I never had a "box full of money under the bed" like Rex Chapman and I'm certain Deion never hurt for money at FSU.

I could bring up Paterno or Art Briles, as examples of coaches that were far worse than I expect Deion to be as far as ruining lives.

If you blame anyone, blame the leadership at the University of Colorado. They hired Deion and absolutely reveled in the attention, attendance, and money he has brought. He is who they thought he was.

 

[P.O.T.S. VOL]

Haha... personally...I think it's hilarious how many different ways posters have spelled his name in this thread. Nothing against anyone..reminds me of Dormandy.

 

[VAVol85]

I was skeptical of Sanders from the start. I don’t see how you lead a team by making it all about the coach. And I never believed the nonsense about building a character-based culture…always assumed it would be a culture of characters.

If they have a winning record I will be shocked. The more likely outcome is that the team quits on Sanders shortly before he walks away from the team.

Whether the hire was ultimately worth it for Colorado depends on how long it takes to clean up the mess that is left behind.

 

[YankeeVol]

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I think college kids looking to party care more about attractive people of the opposite sex than football. I went to TN and was more worried about my hangover on a Saturday than the game.

I can assure you that middle aged guys like me care more about college sports than a young single person full of hormones and surrounded by single attractive women.

Just say I don't understand and move on

 

[stolitonic]

Edited for length:

I think college kids looking to party care more about attractive people of the opposite sex than football. I went to TN and was more worried about my hangover on a Saturday than the game.

I can assure you that middle aged guys like me care more about college sports than a young single person full of hormones and surrounded by single attractive women.

Agree that college kids are looking to party. A highly ranked FB team is a good excuse to party though.

I've been there both ways man. When I was GT, we SUCKED. Were there parties, well duh. But football games were just something to do. I think one year we went like 2-10 or something. It was painful man. Best thing football wise that happened in my years there was the one time the guy in the UGA mascot suit got just a bit too close to the student section lol.

When I finished up my time there, they were just starting to become respectable again

My time at UT was when things were rocking and rolling. Needless to say, things were a bit different. Game days were an all day event.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

Edited for length:

I think college kids looking to party care more about attractive people of the opposite sex than football. I went to TN and was more worried about my hangover on a Saturday than the game.

I can assure you that middle aged guys like me care more about college sports than a young single person full of hormones and surrounded by single attractive women.

When I went to UT I was more worried about finishing my term paper lol

No Saturday hangovers for me, but I was an avid football fan that tracked recruiting and went to every home game.

But I know I wasn’t the typical young college kid.