Commodity shortages

[hog88]

Trucks could run without having to have drivers log x hours of down time.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have computers driving our trucks but we should all know the realities of it. Only the JB Hunts, Schneiders and Wal-Marts will be able to afford the insurance (well they are all self insured) for decades until the tech is proven.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Even a computer can't stop an 80,000 lbs rig fast enough when a car cuts in front of it recklessly changing lanes.

It can stop a rig much, much faster than a human driver could ever process the situation and react.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have computers driving our trucks but we should all know the realities of it. Only the JB Hunts, Schneiders and Wal-Marts will be able to afford the insurance (well they are all self insured) for decades until the tech is proven.

Their insurance rates would fall because there would be fewer incidents and claims.

 

[hog88]

PJ mentioned it earlier but we'll see trucks platooned or slaved together with an operator in the lead rig way before we see autonomous trucks.

 

[hog88]

It can stop a rig much, much faster than a human driver could ever process the situation and react.

No, sorry but a computer doesn't change the physics involved. Unless the computer can read the mind of ding dong minivan mom who doesn't want to miss her exit it won't make any difference.

 

[Vol423]

PJ mentioned it earlier but we'll see trucks platooned or slaved together with an operator in the lead rig way before we see autonomous trucks.

NO way that happens. What you're describing would be incredibly unsafe!

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The technology will be perfected long before the legislation and stigma allows the roll out.

 

[hog88]

NO way that happens. What you're describing would be incredibly unsafe!

Why?

 

[VolStrom]

Tesla’s are electric. They aren’t selling autonomous Teslas yet.

They started to sell them that way and when they started malfunctioning they very quickly backed off of the autonomous autopilot. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying they need their own lane with physical barriers to keep the morons away.

 

[Vol423]

The technology will be perfected long before the legislation and stigma allows the roll out.

They're nowhere close right now. The Phoenix metro area has been a test ground for these companies, and they had a car plow right into someone about 2 years ago. The computer software didn't even register the person's presence.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

No, sorry but a computer doesn't change the physics involved. Unless the computer can read the mind of ding dong minivan mom who doesn't want to miss her exit it won't make any difference.

A computer can process all of that much more effectively and efficiently than a human truck driver can.

 

[hog88]

A computer can process all of that much more effectively and efficiently than a human truck driver can.

We're talking milliseconds.

 

[Vol423]

Why?

Connecting multiple trucks together? Think about the gross tonnage of weight you're talking about needing to stop. Also, a small gust of wind would take out the whole convoy. Such a technology already exists. It's called a railroad.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

They started to sell them that way and when they started malfunctioning they very quickly backed off of the autonomous autopilot. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying they need their own lane with physical barriers to keep the morons away.

They aren’t selling them in mass produced numbers yet.

The existing infrastructure will work fine.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

We're talking milliseconds.

Do you realize that CPUs have been doing that for decades?

 

[hog88]

Connecting multiple trucks together? Think about the gross tonnage of weight you're talking about needing to stop. Also, a small gust of wind would take out the whole convoy. Such a technology already exists. It's called a railroad.

I'm not talking about a road train physically connected, they would be wirelessly connected so minimum following distances could be maintained.

 

[Vol423]

They aren’t selling them in mass produced numbers yet.

The existing infrastructure will work fine.

The REAL key to mass introduction of these technologies is going to be the MASSIVE payments to politicians to exempt the involved companies from the inevitable lawsuits that would otherwise occur.

 

[hog88]

Do you realize that CPUs have been doing that for decades?

Yes but in most cases on the road it won't matter that the CPU started to apply the brakes even 1 second faster.

 

[VolStrom]

We're talking milliseconds.

In the real world, automation is making corrections in the microseconds. Now, having hardware that can react in microseconds is another thing. Usually a few milliseconds is good enough for something like a vehicle.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

2 new trucks sitting on the yard ready to get to work but can't because Qualcomm is at least a month behind on sending ELS units and of course the DOT refuses to modify or even give temporary relief to their ELS regulations. So yeah Velo the .gov could do something to help.

I've got to where I have Bigrigtravels from YouTube on the tv in the background and if you watch him for a few weeks you will see the BS and red tape truck drivers have to go through it's amazing that the whole lot of them don't walk off the job.

He was supposed to get a brand new Freightliner back in July and it's still delayed his company has no idea when it will be delivered.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

They started to sell them that way and when they started malfunctioning they very quickly backed off of the autonomous autopilot. I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying they need their own lane with physical barriers to keep the morons away.

Apollo 11 landed on the Moon less than 70 years after Orville and Wilbur flew their plane a few seconds.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Yes but in most cases on the road it won't matter that the CPU started to apply the brakes even 1 second faster.

In every case it will happen faster than a human driver could react.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

The REAL key to mass introduction of these technologies is going to be the MASSIVE payments to politicians to exempt the involved companies from the inevitable lawsuits that would otherwise occur.

Preventing legislation designed to block the progress is the key. Litigation will decrease because autonomous will be safer.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

In the real world, automation is making corrections in the microseconds. Now, having hardware that can react in microseconds is another thing. Usually a few milliseconds is good enough for something like a vehicle.

How many seconds does it take for humans to apply braking force to the current hardware?

 

[Vol423]

Preventing legislation designed to block the progress is the key. Litigation will decrease because autonomous will be safer.

The problem is that you're assuming flawless execution of software. Please give me ONE example of flawless execution of software in the real world. Once you've done that, tell me how long you think it will take for the Chinese and Russians to hack this software.