Conference expansion

[LouderVol]

Yeah those damn Nike gimmicks would never happen in the ACC. Literally, every single school in the ACC would trade places with us in a heartbeat.View attachment 582944View attachment 582945

what in the hades is that blue for FSU?

Did they ever play in that?

also really curious about why changing conferences would matter when apparel deals are done by school and not conference? to the OP, not you.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

what in the hades is that blue for FSU?

Did they ever play in that?

also really curious about why changing conferences would matter when apparel deals are done by school and not conference? to the OP, not you.

I don’t think football has yet, but basketball has definitely played in those blue uniforms. Changing conferences has nothing to do w/ uniforms or apparel outfitting, except you might get less $ being in a less prestigious conference. That’s me just guessing at about the lesser prestige.

 

[loservol]

I don’t think football has yet, but basketball has definitely played in those blue uniforms. Changing conferences has nothing to do w/ uniforms or apparel outfitting, except you might get less $ being in a less prestigious conference. That’s me just guessing at about the lesser prestige.

Or you might get more money, because you don't have to share it with all the other big schools who are hogging their way into the SEC. Just afraid TN is going to get lost in this conference realignment shuffle.

When you feel disrespected at your place of employment, do you not start looking for a new job with better benefits and a bigger salary or wage? Just might be a similar position TN finds itself in on down the road.

The SEC mainly benefits Alabama and Georgia right now. Texas will soon be demanding their share and then some.

 

[SpookyAction]

If they're going to find a loophole, they'd better hurry. Stanford and Cal probably wouldn't be thrilled about joining a crippled ACC and they have a lot of money to pay lawyers and first class law schools to draw friendly alumni from.

Their lawyers didn't stop anyone from leaving the Conference they were in.
How are they going to keep schools in the conference they aren't even members of yet?

I don't think legal firepower counts for much in this.

 

[SpookyAction]

Clemson, FSU, UNC, and UVA is a nice block of schools, but I don't see the point of adding Clemson and FSU froma TV revenue perspective.
They get the best ratings in the ACC, but it is mostly the same TV sets that watch UF and USCjr.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Their lawyers didn't stop anyone from leaving the Conference they were in.
How are they going to keep schools in the conference they aren't even members of yet?

I don't think legal firepower counts for much in this.

That's why i said they'd better hurry if they're going to find a loophole. When Stanford and Cal and SMU do get there, they're not going to want to watch a second conference they are in explode.

The ACC Grant of Rights is nasty if a team leaves. Not only would the team owe a ton of money, the ACC STILL retains that school's media revenue until 2036. So even NC or Clemson jumped to the SEC, the ACC would get their SEC media money until 2036.

It's supposedly legally ironclad.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Or you might get more money, because you don't have to share it with all the other big schools who are hogging their way into the SEC. Just afraid TN is going to get lost in this conference realignment shuffle.

When you feel disrespected at your place of employment, do you not start looking for a new job with better benefits and a bigger salary or wage? Just might be a similar position TN finds itself in on down the road.

The SEC mainly benefits Alabama and Georgia right now. Texas will soon be demanding their share and then some.

I’m sure what you mean by us getting lost in realignment shuffle. We’re firmly entrenched in the SEC. The group of clowns from Austin or anywhere else isn’t going to change that. The $ that FSU and Clemson are demanding that the ACC give them in the unequal revenue plan is still significantly less than what they would be getting in the B1G or SEC. There’s a reason that there isn’t a buyout to leave the SEC, because no one would be crazy enough to do it.

 

[GiveHim6InSC]

A friend sent this to me yesterday. The tweet is from one of the low-rent clemson homer media types, so I don’t know how credible it is

 

[LouderVol]

Or you might get more money, because you don't have to share it with all the other big schools who are hogging their way into the SEC. Just afraid TN is going to get lost in this conference realignment shuffle.

When you feel disrespected at your place of employment, do you not start looking for a new job with better benefits and a bigger salary or wage? Just might be a similar position TN finds itself in on down the road.

The SEC mainly benefits Alabama and Georgia right now. Texas will soon be demanding their share and then some.

why would we leave the SEC?

The ACC is a worse conference all around for us. No rivalries. Only like 1 good game a year, vs at least 3 in the SEC. pay is a lot less. which would mean fewer fans in the stadium. Even with the performance pay that FSU wants they would still be making 20 million less a year than we are. we would be the new guys, and have no pull/favoritism in the ACC. recruiting would take a hit. the playoffs are going to 12 next year, so you don't have to be top dog in the SEC. The SEC runner-up has won the NC as many times as the ACC has (2) in the playoff era.

 

[loservol]

why would we leave the SEC?

The ACC is a worse conference all around for us. No rivalries. Only like 1 good game a year, vs at least 3 in the SEC. pay is a lot less. which would mean fewer fans in the stadium. Even with the performance pay that FSU wants they would still be making 20 million less a year than we are. we would be the new guys, and have no pull/favoritism in the ACC. recruiting would take a hit. the playoffs are going to 12 next year, so you don't have to be top dog in the SEC. The SEC runner-up has won the NC as many times as the ACC has (2) in the playoff era.

You heard the old saying: too many cooks spoil the broth? Too many big schools and their egos will ruin the SEC.

Clemson lost to two SEC schools last season and now they are wanting to join the conference? Is it so they can poach SEC talent away from TN again? Call me paranoid, but who knows what kind of closed door deals they are making at other legacy schools expense?

The Vols and South Carolina has Clemson right where they want them right now(on the decline). Why extend a ladder to your enemy?

 

[LouderVol]

You heard the old saying: too many cooks spoil the broth? Too many big schools and their egos will ruin the SEC.

Clemson lost to two SEC schools last season and now they are wanting to join the conference? Is it so they can poach SEC talent away from TN again? Call me paranoid, but who knows what kind of closed door deals they are making at other legacy schools expense?

They've been recruiting at Top 5 level for years now. it hasn't dropped off the last season or two to explain them returning to normal. Them joining the SEC isn't going to drastically change their recruiting. They were able to poach from us because we were terrible, in your argument they shouldn't have been able to steal from us because we had that SEC logo, but they did. US being good is the difference maker.

there are enough legacy schools where the new bloods aren't going to be able to push around the SEC. especially because these new schools are coming to the SEC, not the other way around. they need us a lot more than we need them. especially for someone like Clemson, we already have the SC market. They can push around the ACC because the ACC is weak, and Clemson is one of the strong ones, but even still Clemson can't cleanly escape the ACC. It will be that much worse for Clemson in the SEC. Look at TAMU. I bet they brought even more $$ value than Clemson would, and they certainly haven't gotten their way in the SEC, they fought Texas joining, and no one else backed them.

 

[TrueOrange]

A friend sent this to me yesterday. The tweet is from one of the low-rent clemson homer media types, so I don’t know how credible it is

I think you answered your own question there.

 

[dobre_shunka]

Clemson, FSU, UNC, and UVA is a nice block of schools, but I don't see the point of adding Clemson and FSU froma TV revenue perspective.
They get the best ratings in the ACC, but it is mostly the same TV sets that watch UF and USCjr.

If the number of weekly viewers is less significant than adding a new state, then wouldn't that make Boston College more desirable than either Clemson or FSU?

Clemson fans aren't watching SCAR games nor are FSU fans watching UF.

How many Tennessee fans watch Memphis football or basketball simply because it's in the same state?

 

[wmcovol]

Florida and South Carolina do not want Clemson or Florida State on their lawns or their yards.

Neither do I. FSU had their chance. Screw Clemson & FSU.

I think it’s totally stupid of the SEC to accept schools without a huge entry fee. Texas, for example, would never consider the SEC unless it was totally for their benefit. Their other option was the Big 10 with Purdue, Nwestern, Iowa, Minnesota Rutgers, etc.

 

[SpookyAction]

If the number of weekly viewers is less significant than adding a new state, then wouldn't that make Boston College more desirable than either Clemson or FSU?

Clemson fans aren't watching SCAR games nor are FSU fans watching UF.

How many Tennessee fans watch Memphis football or basketball simply because it's in the same state?

TV markets have been the deciding factor in past TV megadeals for the SEC and B1G, not ratings for specific teams. That is why non-entities like Rutgers and MIssouri are invited to the dance.
If FSU and Clemson are invited, so be it. They probably have the highest ratings of any schools outside the SEC and B1G, but they bring zero additional tv markets to the table. But it has always been about "potential new tv markets" to inflate the deals.

Memphis isn't even the biggest ratings draw in their own home city. Nashville is definitely Big Orange Country. New Conference members will be preferred if they bring multiple new TV markets, such as Missouri did, or UVA and UNC would.

That could really change as linear sports tv networks become sidelined, or converted to streaming.

 

[Dadof2Vols]

TV markets have been the deciding factor in past TV megadeals for the SEC and B1G, not ratings for specific teams. That is why non-entities like Rutgers and MIssouri are invited to the dance.
If FSU and Clemson are invited, so be it. They probably have the highest ratings of any schools outside the SEC and B1G, but they bring zero additional tv markets to the table. But it has always been about "potential new tv markets" to inflate the deals.

Memphis isn't even the biggest ratings draw in their own home city. Nashville is definitely Big Orange Country. New Conference members will be preferred if they bring multiple new TV markets, such as Missouri did, or UVA and UNC would.

That could really change as linear sports tv networks become sidelined, or converted to streaming.

Future won’t be about media markets it will be about how rabid and consistent viewing is a fan base that the fan base will be crazy enough to pay the high cost of a particular streaming property. The numbers will justify the advertising bonus for the steamer.

 

[SpookyAction]

Future won’t be about media markets it will be about how rabid and consistent viewing is a fan base that the fan base will be crazy enough to pay the high cost of a particular streaming property. The numbers will justify the advertising bonus for the steamer.

The world of CFB on TV is changing. If Clemson and FSU get invited, that is better than Miami.
That named foursome is a good group.
VATech is no longer worthy. They have fallen a very long way. They have neglected investing in the football program and athletics in general.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

The rumor that keeps popping up is that Clemson is announcing on October 10th, 10/10. I don’t know if that’s true, but if it is, it doesn’t take the NSA to figure out where they are headed.

 

[Pennheel]

Be careful what you wish for All Coast Conference.... I can see why Clemson is wanting to run as far away as possible from that.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

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Be careful what you wish for All Coast Conference.... I can see why Clemson is wanting to run as far away as possible from that.

I don’t know that Clemson is the only one…

 

[dobre_shunka]

Future won’t be about media markets it will be about how rabid and consistent viewing is a fan base that the fan base will be crazy enough to pay the high cost of a particular streaming property. The numbers will justify the advertising bonus for the steamer.

I can't see how adding Boston College was a financial win for that ACC. Yeah, it let them expand their footprint to Massachusetts but no one cares about watching BC college sports and Boston is a pro sports town.

Hard to believe the revenue from the additional viewers in Massachusetts was worth the equal share of the conference payout BC draws every year.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I can't see how adding Boston College was a financial win for that ACC. Yeah, it let them expand their footprint to Massachusetts but no one cares about watching BC college sports and Boston is a pro sports town.

Hard to believe the revenue from the additional viewers in Massachusetts was worth the equal share of the conference payout BC draws every year.

Same thing w/ Rutgers. No one in NYC cares about Rutgers or college athletics that much . If they do, it’s mostly a mixed bag of Syracuse, Notre Dame football and Duke Basketball.

 

[Volunteer_Kirby]

Some really bad takes in this thread. UNC & Virginia over FSU & Clemson? That's nuts.

TV revenue is dictating conference expansion more than anything. Basketball does extremely well in the post-season but regular season it's not getting great viewership. Most games don't even make a blip in the ratings and they might hit a max of 2. Whereas SEC can easily hit anywhere from 2-6 for the bigger match-ups. I think UNC has a lot of sway and are next up. The area has better viewership than most & UNC is a blueblood basketball program. They will be in the SEC at some point I'm sure. Question is who comes with them? Louisville, Virginia, G Tech, V Tech, Miami? I think V Tech is pretty much ruled out. No App St or NC State either. G Tech needs a complete rebranding and willingness to lower academic standards but they can do it. Virginia is pretty much is in the same boat as Vandy in terms of what they can contribute to TV revenue. I think Louisville gets the nod over Miami for their TV viewership, but I would expect it to be one of those two schools if any go with UNC.

As for FSU, they are as much of a blueblood as we are. Clemson is the next team behind UT, FSU, UGA, AU, LSU, UF if we're talking historical prestige. Makes perfect sense that they would join the SEC.

 

[VolPack22]

Some really bad takes in this thread. UNC & Virginia over FSU & Clemson? That's nuts.

TV revenue is dictating conference expansion more than anything. Basketball does extremely well in the post-season but regular season it's not getting great viewership. Most games don't even make a blip in the ratings and they might hit a max of 2. Whereas SEC can easily hit anywhere from 2-6 for the bigger match-ups. I think UNC has a lot of sway and are next up. The area has better viewership than most & UNC is a blueblood basketball program. They will be in the SEC at some point I'm sure. Question is who comes with them? Louisville, Virginia, G Tech, V Tech, Miami? I think V Tech is pretty much ruled out. No App St or NC State either. G Tech needs a complete rebranding and willingness to lower academic standards but they can do it. Virginia is pretty much is in the same boat as Vandy in terms of what they can contribute to TV revenue. I think Louisville gets the nod over Miami for their TV viewership, but I would expect it to be one of those two schools if any go with UNC.

As for FSU, they are as much of a blueblood as we are. Clemson is the next team behind UT, FSU, UGA, AU, LSU, UF if we're talking historical prestige. Makes perfect sense that they would join the SEC.

I would love to get UNC and Duke for basketball purposes. SEC basketball has really gone to an elite level over the past few years and that would put the conference at the top imo.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

I still can't get over Pacific coast teams playing in the Atlantic Coast Conference.....