Conference expansion

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GreyWolf1129 said:
Oregon is moving up a level. No doubting their recruiting, talent, or coaching, but Oregon just passed their CPA (Closest Point of Approach) to a Natty. Moving forward, the Ducks can only be a spoiler. They simply do not have what it takes to beat the best the SEC can offer.
It is what it is...

Go Vols.
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Haven't heard this type of comment in some time. I remember hearing this style of comment before the Ducks played Ohio St in the shoe, final Oregon 35- Ohio St 28, also, sounds a bit like comments before we played Mich a number of years ago also, final Oregon 39- Mich 7
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Haven't heard this type of comment in some time. I remember hearing this style of comment before the Ducks played Ohio St in the shoe, final Oregon 35- Ohio St 28, also, sounds a bit like comments before we played Mich a number of years ago also, final Oregon 39- Mich 7
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It's nothing personal. I actually enjoy watching the Neon Ducks play. Always fun to watch.

But the game is changing, and the price of poker is going up. Oregon is playing with the big dogs now. The wear and tear of their new schedule will make a difference. If Oregon cannot recruit (and develop) Big-10 talent, then Oregon cannot win the Big-10.

And thus would get absolutely slaughtered by the best of the SEC in a playoff.

Holler at me when Oregon beats the SEC champion, or beats an SEC team in the playoff. Until then, I'll stick with what I originally posted.

Go Vols.
 
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turbovol said:
They're students, not employees---a fact that seems lost on some. They're getting a free college education worth more than $200K plus a raft
of other benefits. Ninety-nine percent of the all the student-athletes at UT and every other major university have never had their name put on any UT merchandise
and never will--meaning NIL is relevant in only a handful of instances. The idea that student-athletes deserve cash in addition to a free-education and other bennies is absurd. If you want to turn major-college football into an independent semi-pro league, with no university association at all and no educational component, then, yea, pay the players. The real problem is that college football has become so big, so commercial and so corrupt that most of its fans don't even think of it as "college" anymore. And why would they--most Southern fans did not attend the state university team they cheer for or any college at all.
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I have zero interest in paying players to play at UT. I have never advocated for UT to pay football players, but I am ok with them (football players) getting a piece of the pie, which is worth far more than the scholarship
But the NIL system is a form of payment that seems like the best compromise ever.
The university provides the scholly and independent businesses provide the deals.
The players that deserve to get paid get paid by businesses, and the players who don't deserve deals still get a lucrative scholly.
 
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SpookyAction said:
I have zero interest in paying players to play at UT. I have never advocated for UT to pay football players, but I am ok with them (football players) getting a piece of the pie, which is worth far more than the scholarship
But the NIL system is a form of payment that seems like the best compromise ever.
The university provides the scholly and independent businesses provide the deals.
The players that deserve to get paid get paid by businesses, and the players who don't deserve deals still get a lucrative scholly.
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Imagine a business that requires employees (or students) to participate in training in fields other than their primary area of employment.

Imagine a business that insists that the training described above is enough compensation for those employees (or students) even though a few months after their forced to leave that business, their NEW employer, in the same business, will pay them millions.

Imagine a business that doesn't actually pay their employees (or students) in money but comes up with a way to establish "donors" who enjoy the business so much, THEY will pay the employees.

Does any of that scenario make sense?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Imagine a business that requires employees (or students) to participate in training in fields other than their primary area of employment.

Imagine a business that insists that the training described above is enough compensation for those employees (or students) even though a few months after their forced to leave that business, their NEW employer, in the same business, will pay them millions.

Imagine a business that doesn't actually pay their employees (or students) in money but comes up with a way to establish "donors" who enjoy the business so much, THEY will pay the employees.

Does any of that scenario make sense?
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don't forget that these kids need to be ready for the real world, so we are going to force them to comply with a bunch of rules that they will never encounter in the real world.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
It's nothing personal. I actually enjoy watching the Neon Ducks play. Always fun to watch.

But the game is changing, and the price of poker is going up. Oregon is playing with the big dogs now. The wear and tear of their new schedule will make a difference. If Oregon cannot recruit (and develop) Big-10 talent, then Oregon cannot win the Big-10.

And thus would get absolutely slaughtered by the best of the SEC in a playoff.

Holler at me when Oregon beats the SEC champion, or beats an SEC team in the playoff. Until then, I'll stick with what I originally posted.

Go Vols.
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I agree that Oregon hasn't gotten over the hump yet. And given the performance against Georgia last year it does look like they've got work to do. Personally they should have won the championship game against Auburn a couple years back. I don't think Oregon gets "absolutely slaughtered" by anyone in a playoff game. Also, I think Oregon will do just fine in the Big 10. They do have the recruits and they continue to have strong recruiting classes.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
I agree that Oregon hasn't gotten over the hump yet. And given the performance against Georgia last year it does look like they've got work to do. Personally they should have won the championship game against Auburn a couple years back. I don't think Oregon gets "absolutely slaughtered" by anyone in a playoff game. Also, I think Oregon will do just fine in the Big 10. They do have the recruits and they continue to have strong recruiting classes.
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The Big 10 will be a tougher conference because of Oregon. Will Oregon be a tougher team because of the Big 10?

There's the $64,000 question.

Eventually, I think yes. But when your conference literally touches both coasts, and you're out there with three other teams on the left side...those road games in different time zones, and the travel it requires, are going to take a toll. Advantage Ducks at home, but what about the 4 or 5 conference games where they're not?

What "championship game against Auburn a couple years back"? Are you talking about 2011? Good Lord, that's the best you've got?

So we'll see. In the end, USC, UCLA, U-Dub, and Oregon went for the money. I get it. But in doing so, they gutted the premier athletic conference on the left coast, and added a couple of digits to the travel odometers for their athletic teams. Most of the rest of the conference will only make a couple of trips west each year (in football), but the western teams will have to make at least 4 trips east. Math favors the eastern schools. It is what it is.

I think Oregon just bit off more than it can chew. Simple as that. Time will tell.

Go Vols.
 
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how about dissolving all D1 conferences and let everyone be independent, make their own deals...you know like a regular business (which is what big time college sports has become). Have a governing body (not named NCAA) regulate the road to a national championship and to manage regional playoffs that lead to the NC games in all sports. Its early in the morning & I have had no sleep, so take it easy on me.....
 
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Pappy said:
how about dissolving all D1 conferences and let everyone be independent, make their own deals...you know like a regular business (which is what big time college sports has become). Have a governing body (not named NCAA) regulate the road to a national championship and to manage regional playoffs that lead to the NC games in all sports. Its early in the morning & I have had no sleep, so take it easy on me.....
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And who is going to dissolve the D1 conferences? The NCAA?? The D1 conferences are the NCAA. The govt?? Not only they have no jurisdiction over the NCAA rules you really don’t want the govt finger in college athletics. That’s a disaster waiting to happen

Conference are country clubs. They make their own rules. They decided who they want and don’t want in their club. And they are the NCAA. No one will tell them what to do unless they want to
 
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GreveHaller said:
And who is going to dissolve the D1 conferences? The NCAA?? The D1 conferences are the NCAA. The govt?? Not only they have no jurisdiction over the NCAA rules you really don’t want the govt finger in college athletics. That’s a disaster waiting to happen

Conference are country clubs. They make their own rules. They decided who they want and don’t want in their club. And they are the NCAA. No one will tell them what to do unless they want to
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This is exactly why I'm counting on the NCAA to do as little as possible for as long as possible about expansion issues and the NIL mess.

The NCAA (read: the school admins) won't kill itself because that kills the cash cow for the schools. They fought to the absolute legal end to avoid NIL and it took several years. They will fight employee status for players to the bitter end for years also.

The NCAA will ignore any calls to stop "super conferences" which pull in huge revenue for a few schools and will try to keep some "cupcake" games in the mix for the lesser schools. The danger for the NCAA is if conferences stop playing the "cupcake" games, the NCAA may face mutiny from within by the little schools who can no longer support their athletic budgets without the "cupcake" system.

The NCAA won't "do what is right" for the sports, they will protect the revenue stream at all costs.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
It's nothing personal. I actually enjoy watching the Neon Ducks play. Always fun to watch.

But the game is changing, and the price of poker is going up. Oregon is playing with the big dogs now. The wear and tear of their new schedule will make a difference. If Oregon cannot recruit (and develop) Big-10 talent, then Oregon cannot win the Big-10.

And thus would get absolutely slaughtered by the best of the SEC in a playoff.

Holler at me when Oregon beats the SEC champion, or beats an SEC team in the playoff. Until then, I'll stick with what I originally posted.

Go Vols.
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You keep sliding from the Big 10--which is where Oregon will actually be playing--to the SEC, where Oregon is not a member. Your dogging of the Ducks because they may not beat the SEC's best is kind of lame, really.

And as for Oregon being in a better, tougher conference now. Really? Who are all these great Big10 schools that will scare Oregon? Michigan St.? Minnesota? Indiana? Iowa? Mighty Northwestern? Purdue? Illinois? In fact, Oregon will probably feast on those schools. Both Oregon and Washington are better football programs than all of those schools. Wisconsin--three yards and a cloud of dust? The Big10 is grossly overrated--has been for a long time. Until the last couple of years, when Harbaugh has finally gotten his act together at Michigan, the Big10 was pretty much a one-team conference for, what?, 10 years? Longer? Penn State is competitive, and that's the extent of it.
 
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Dogging the Ducks? Not intentionally. Just pointing out that they are playing in a tougher conference where the competition and mileage will take a toll. They can recruit, develop, and coach their way out of it. But will they?

Yes, the Big 10 is tougher. Much more physical than the Pac-whatever. Come on back here and remind me when Oregon gets done feasting on their schedule. Should be fairly soon, since the Big 10 is "grossly overrated and pretty much a one-team conference", right?

If memory serves, Oregon has yet to beat the SEC's best. No shame there; they are certainly not alone in that regard. But lame?

No. Fact.

Pick a better angle, or a different team, for your rebuttal. The facts don't support you.

Go Vols.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Broadcast TV is dying and no sports will be on free broadcast moving forward.

In 3-5 years if you don’t have a streaming package you will not watch sports only sitcom reruns from 40 years ago.

Disney for example wants to sell their over the air broadcast because revenue is dropping. Disney also wants to move ESPN off of cable. Between ESPN and consumers both wanting off cable, if you want to watch sports by 2028, you will be paying ESPN $25-50 a month just for ESPN…

I know this post will get all kinds of negative comments, just telling you my industry opinion…And my customer is a large media empire so I study this space for a living.
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Beginning of end for ESPN on cable/streamers. Spectrum is forcing the issue and this is about so much more than carriage fees…

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Charter Wants to Blow Up the Pay TV Bundle in Disney Fight: “This Is Not a Typical Carriage Dispute”

The cable giant, with nearly 15 million TV subs, told analysts Friday that it is prepared to "move on" from its video business: "We've reached the point of indifference."
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Beginning of end for ESPN on cable/streamers. Spectrum is forcing the issue and this is about so much more than carriage fees…

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Charter Wants to Blow Up the Pay TV Bundle in Disney Fight: “This Is Not a Typical Carriage Dispute”

The cable giant, with nearly 15 million TV subs, told analysts Friday that it is prepared to "move on" from its video business: "We've reached the point of indifference."
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
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Forgive me but what do they mean by video business?

I swear if they make subscribe to something..... Which I can't even watch anyway because of crappy satellite internet.......I guess I'll just have to listen on the radio.
 
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KB5252 said:
Forgive me but what do they mean by video business?

I swear if they make subscribe to something..... Which I can't even watch anyway because of crappy satellite internet.......I guess I'll just have to listen on the radio.
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This is the beginning of cable dropping the big stations. They are going to be an internet/phone only type provider. They are going to try to remake themselves
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Beginning of end for ESPN on cable/streamers. Spectrum is forcing the issue and this is about so much more than carriage fees…

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Charter Wants to Blow Up the Pay TV Bundle in Disney Fight: “This Is Not a Typical Carriage Dispute”

The cable giant, with nearly 15 million TV subs, told analysts Friday that it is prepared to "move on" from its video business: "We've reached the point of indifference."
www.hollywoodreporter.com www.hollywoodreporter.com
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I'm skeptical. Do you think Charter is going to drop all the Mouse stations and pass those savings along in lower cable fees?

I'm really skeptical. If they expect customers to accept less stations for the same money, that's a losing strategy for them.

I don't use cable but if I did and Charter dropped the ESPN family, the Disney family, the FX family, NatGeo, and whatever else Disney has from my plan, whether I watch those stations or not, I'm looking for a nice price drop.

If Charter drops my bill by $30 / month and I'm paying Disney $30 / month to get them back, meh. That's a pain.

if Hulu or YouTube TV pay up to Disney and make it one bill for my media, that's easier.

If Charter is FINALLY going to "a la carte" stations, the real losers will be the "pay to play" religious and specialty channels AND Charter who gets paid by those channels.

The "bundles" of scarcely watched channels have always benefited Charter, but if I'm going to be offered a real "build my own package" cable deal, I'm not interested in several channels Charter generates revenue with.

If they're going to drop high quality programming (forcing me to buy it separately) and still force unwanted channels on me so they can get paid, thanks but no thanks.

I just don't see how Charter comes out a winner here, but I'm willing to listen if you have an idea.
 
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indian rick said:
West Virginia or Virginia or VA Tech to get Virginia, North Carolina and maybe NC State to get N C market, and I would look at ND to get Indy market and Oklahoma State. Only reason I left out Duke is they are another Vandy in football and in the future teams like Vandy may be forced out of SEC, because they don't bring enough to table to warrant the money that is coming.
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Idk I'd love to see Duke in the league if only to take away the one thing Kentucky is good at.
 
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