Conference expansion

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Dadof2Vols said:
Those are the ones doing 5G rollouts in large cities in us and in a Europe it is the large mobile providers leading those 5G rollouts today so they will be first.
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The 3 that I mentioned are also 3 of the main internet providers (which you said doing such would be out of business) in the US.
 
#28
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Dadof2Vols said:
Timeouts will still be there, haven’t you noticed how all the streaming options are now adding commercials. They can’t survive without that money.
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they can, it worked at the start. They just chose to make more money and operate with the additional add revenue
 
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LouderVol said:
they can, it worked at the start. They just chose to make more money and operate with the additional add revenue
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There's still radio. The media timeout is still a part of the game. That said, there's no reason they couldn't be shortened.
 
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WhenUrVolUrVFL said:
It’s a prestigious university. Elite basketball. Quality baseball and their football program has taken some steps in the right direction.

Now that coach K is gone at Duke, the door is wide open to pluck UNC from the ACC. It should be UVA and UNC.

There’s a reason why the big ten wants them—because they know it’s the best move for us.
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I think UNC is probably the second most coveted school in the continuing realignment saga, with Notre Dame being on a completely different level. That said, Duke vs Carolina didn’t get cancelled or less relevant because K is gone. It was the most watched regular season game on ESPN last season and neither team was ranked .

You listed a lot of positive factors about UNC and UVA, and IMO all of those things align perfectly w/ the B1G. Real UNC football fans want to be SEC, but those people are pretty rare. The vast majority are all basketball first . It’s been that way for decades. It’s a running joke around here about UNC being a “sleeping giant” in football. They’ve had some decent teams at times, but I’ll never believe until I actually see it year in and year out. UNC, Duke, UVA, GT and Miami would be a better fit in the B1G IMO. The SEC adding FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech and NC State all makes sense from a culture and football brand standpoint.
 
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I can see it now

Oregon/Washington/Cal/Stanford to the Big 10

Arizona/Arizona State/Utah to the Big 12

Miami/Florida State to the SEC

The question is going to be the ACC. Can they get Notre Dame to join them full time (which would be a big boost). Can they protect the Carolinas from being poached by the SEC? Could they maybe get West Virginia to leave the Big 12?
 
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zjcvols said:
I can see it now

Oregon/Washington/Cal/Stanford to the Big 10

Arizona/Arizona State/Utah to the Big 12

Miami/Florida State to the SEC

The question is going to be the ACC. Can they get Notre Dame to join them full time (which would be a big boost). Can they protect the Carolinas from being poached by the SEC? Could they maybe get West Virginia to leave the Big 12?
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If FSU is concened about the ACC's revenue distribution, I have a hard time seeing how they talk ND out of having their own deal and remaining independent.
 
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GAVol said:
If FSU is concened about the ACC's revenue distribution, I have a hard time seeing how they talk ND out of having their own deal and remaining independent.
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They could do the Texas/Big 12 Route
 
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When the dust settles will we see the Basket of Deplorables Conference?

Oregon State
Washington State
Pitt
Boston College
Duke
Louisville
Syracuse
NC State
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
 
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Vollifer1949 said:
Somebody explain to me why the SEC would want Clempson or FSU? The conference already controls those TV markets. Neither are “National” brands.
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As a West Coast guy, I'd consider Clemson a national brand. FSU not so much, it's just another Florida team.
 
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give_him 6 said:
When the dust settles will we see the Basket of Deplorables Conference?

Oregon State
Washington State
Pitt
Boston College
Duke
Louisville
Syracuse
NC State
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
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As for WSU and OSU in this scenario I think OSU could survive, and WSU will end up playing Boise St, Montana and North Dakota St. I don't think WSU has backers with the assets to compete without being part of a major conference.
 
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With all the upheaval in the conferences, I'm wondering if Bowl Games are starting to think of realignment as well. Like the Rose Bowl for example. If (when) the Pac-12 implodes, will the NY6 bowls start shopping for new conference tie ins?

I mean, I'm all about watching an SEC team beat the brakes off a B1G team in the Grandaddy of them all. But it does beg the question how the big money bowls will adapt to these changes.
 
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Grand Vol said:
With all the upheaval in the conferences, I'm wondering if Bowl Games are starting to think of realignment as well. Like the Rose Bowl for example. If (when) the Pac-12 implodes, will the NY6 bowls start shopping for new conference tie ins?

I mean, I'm all about watching an SEC team beat the brakes off a B1G team in the Grandaddy of them all. But it does beg the question how the big money bowls will adapt to these changes.
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Really good point. The bowl "system" has been a really odd ball aspect of college football for a very long time. It's part of the problem, not part of the solution. Maybe bowl games go away altogether in favor of a playoff system with locations to be decided based on bringing the most fans from the competing schools.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Really good point. The bowl "system" has been a really odd ball aspect of college football for a very long time. It's part of the problem, not part of the solution. Maybe bowl games go away altogether in favor of a playoff system with locations to be decided based on bringing the most fans from the competing schools.
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Need to take bowls out of the CFP completely. Why should fans have to travel to so many neutral site games? Should be like the NFL, higher seeds play at home until the championship game, that can be a neutral site.
 
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Isn't ESPN in financial trouble right now? How are they going to afford all of these additions to the BIg10 and what looks like future additions to the SEC (if the ACC collapses)?
 
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give_him 6 said:
Isn't ESPN in financial trouble right now? How are they going to afford all of these additions to the BIg10 and what looks like future additions to the SEC (if the ACC collapses)?
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By not paying as much as they had been to the conferences that are losing members.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
As a West Coast guy, I'd consider Clemson a national brand. FSU not so much, it's just another Florida team.
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What’s your take on all of this? Being a PAC 9 guy or whatever it is now, this has to be somewhat difficult to experience. It’s all you’ve ever known, and it’s being dismantled little by little every day it seems like. I’m sure you probably hate Oregon State, but at the same time do you really want to lose the Civil War to realignment?
 
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indian rick said:
West Virginia or Virginia or VA Tech to get Virginia, North Carolina and maybe NC State to get N C market, and I would look at ND to get Indy market and Oklahoma State. Only reason I left out Duke is they are another Vandy in football and in the future teams like Vandy may be forced out of SEC, because they don't bring enough to table to warrant the money that is coming.
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I remember watching either a documentary or special and it stated Vandy is good for the SEC because they are basically a P5 win. Now, that was years ago so, expansion may have made that/them obsolete.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Clemson and FSU are most definitely "national brands". I'm not sure why you would think they aren't. They've both won recent NC's and I'm SURE that recruits out West know who they are.
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Yep. I suspect the SEC would be very interested in both those schools.
 
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Greed has turned college athletics into a joke--stupid. Twenty team conferences? Absurd.

You might as well analyze the composite football and basketball records, plus the football/basketball TV ratings, and then lump the 30
teams that come out on top in one Super Conference called TV Big Teet Conference 1. And then the next 30 schools can be in TV Big Teet Conference 2.
And everybody else can close down their athletic departments completely because nobody watches them on TV. You might as well be /completely/ Darwinian about it since that is the direction college athletics is going.

I see that FSU is arrogantly whining and trying to big foot the ACC--publicly threatening to leave because it feels it's not getting the TV money it deserves, even though the 'noles have not been particularly strong in football for a few years and are not a top three ACC program in basketball.

TV is the huge sow with sundry nipples and all the little piglets are fighting to squeeze in there and grab hold for financial nourishment. The greed and commercialism is out of control--totally crass.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
What’s your take on all of this? Being a PAC 9 guy or whatever it is now, this has to be somewhat difficult to experience. It’s all you’ve ever known, and it’s being dismantled little by little every day it seems like. I’m sure you probably hate Oregon State, but at the same time do you really want to lose the Civil War to realignment?
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It is difficult to watch, the Ducks have two serious conference rivalry games OSU and Washington. If Washington comes along in the realignment that rivalry will be plenty to deal with. Also, if Oregon and Washington don't get into the Big10 this year and USC ends up having a say in the matter I can see them blocking the expansion. They would likely be glad to not have to compete with the NW schools as conference opponents for West Coast recruits.

On the recruiting note, I can see recruits from the midwest being more likely to go to a Big 10 school on the West Coast in the future. Just a thought...
 
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ntxVOL said:
Need to take bowls out of the CFP completely. Why should fans have to travel to so many neutral site games? Should be like the NFL, higher seeds play at home until the championship game, that can be a neutral site.
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so many?
one bowl game at the end of the year?

I would say for pretty much every major fan base there are more non-local fans than there are locals. Bowl games bring the game to some of them directly, and may make it more accessible to others. There is a reason Vols travel well, its because there are a lot of us, everywhere. Its nice not having to make the 4+ hour drive whenever UT just so happens to play in Atlanta.

The issue with the higher seeded team getting home preference is that some of these schools have tiny stadiums. It works if the host has an 80k+ stadium. But there are going to be more Vol fans wanting tickets than total capacity of a majority of the stadiums out there.
 
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