Conference expansion

#76
#76
The question is the ACC.

Big 12- Arizona/Utah/Arizona State/Oregon State/Washington will give the Big 12 18 teams…they could easily invite SMU and USF for 20 teams.

Big 10- Cal/Stanford/Washington/Oregon…there’s 20 right there.

SEC/ACC- Here’s the big question. There are 30 teams between them (31 with Notre Dame). How is this gonna shake out. I can’t imagine adding 9 teams to the ACC is gonna work out if the SEC raids 4 teams, even if they could convince Notre Dame to join them. Are we gonna get 4 20 team super teams? Or are we gonna get 3 and a few teams get left in the cold? Or maybe the super conferences get to 24 each? So many questions.
 
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zjcvols said:
I can’t believe the PAC screwed this up so bad.

Call the Big 12 after Texas/OU leave, drop WVU and Okie State to the SEC and add BYU/Houston. 20 team super league and billion dollar rights deal. Enough in place regionally to make sense (everybody west of the Mississippi). Instead, you’re going to have to disband within the next 12 months. Utter lunacy how they messed this up.
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The SEC would never take either; it doesn’t increase the amount of money received by each team enough. Those two would just end up in sort of a no-man’s land.

They won’t disband…but they’re going to be a shell of a conference. Presuming they’re actually able to hold on to Arizona State and Utah - which they pretty much have to do to survive, you’re going to have something like a Pac-12/former Mountain West Conference members hybrid with something like Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, and Washington State joined by teams like San Diego State, SMU, Colorado State, UNLV, Boise State, and some other team from like the American to reach 10 members.
 
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indian rick said:
West Virginia or Virginia or VA Tech to get Virginia, North Carolina and maybe NC State to get N C market, and I would look at ND to get Indy market and Oklahoma State. Only reason I left out Duke is they are another Vandy in football and in the future teams like Vandy may be forced out of SEC, because they don't bring enough to table to warrant the money that is coming.
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West Virginia will not get one Virginia (or DC) regardless of how good of a season they have.

That would be like the Big 12 saying that Kansas and Kansas State gave them Missouri, Oklahoma, and Nebraska.
 
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give_him 6 said:
When the dust settles will we see the Basket of Deplorables Conference?

Oregon State
Washington State
Pitt
Boston College
Duke
Louisville
Syracuse
NC State
Wake Forest
Georgia Tech
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The ACC’s leftovers are more likely to end up as American Conference members (or in an ACC that is essentially a shell filled with American Conference) members than they are to end up in a conference with Oregon State and Washington State.

(Honestly, Louisville will probably end up a new Big 12 member. Georgia Tech should be fine also; they’ll always have some level of appeal to the Big Ten.)
 
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Grand Vol said:
With all the upheaval in the conferences, I'm wondering if Bowl Games are starting to think of realignment as well. Like the Rose Bowl for example. If (when) the Pac-12 implodes, will the NY6 bowls start shopping for new conference tie ins?

I mean, I'm all about watching an SEC team beat the brakes off a B1G team in the Grandaddy of them all. But it does beg the question how the big money bowls will adapt to these changes.
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That tends to be what happens as conferences shift around and/or disappear. For example, after becoming its own conference entity in 2013, the American Conference didn’t automatically inherit/get to keep all the then-Big-East’s old bowl tie-ins. The Russell Athletic/Camping World/Cheez-It/Pop-Tarts Bowl dropped them for the Big 12; the Pinstripe Bowl dropped both tie-ins for the ACC and Big Ten…the Compass/Birmingham Bowl was really the only old tie-in that continued. (The automatic BCS tie-in the Big East had in 2013 also dissolved once the American became a conference.)
 
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Volfan1000 said:
I would take Duke and North Carolina and invite them to the SEC.
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Understandable why you would, but Duke unfortunately doesn’t have enough value for either of the biggest conferences (the SEC and Big Ten). They’re likely one of the ACC schools that’s holding on for dear life to that Grant of Rights through 2036. Again, I understand and respect why you would because of the history and the basketball; it’s just unfortunately not enough.
 
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peaygolf said:
FSU is a much bigger national brand than most think, but it doesn’t make sense for the SEC to want/need them. They already have that market. Big10 makes more monetary sense for FSU….jmo

Va Tech and Clemson make more sense to the SEC
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Not sure and have to disagree about that second one…Clemson doesn’t get you into North Carolina’s market, though. The 9th most populated state in the country is worth a lot more (to the SEC as well as the Big 10, at least as far as a next move would go) than double-dipping into the 23rd most populated even when Clemson’s winning championships (Apparently NC’s population is more than double SC’s: 10.7 million vs 5.3 million).
 
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TrueOrange said:
The ACC’s leftovers are more likely to end up as American Conference members (or in an ACC that is essentially a shell filled with American Conference) members than they are to end up in a conference with Oregon State and Washington State.

(Honestly, Louisville will probably end up a new Big 12 member. Georgia Tech should be fine also; they’ll always have some level of appeal to the Big Ten.)
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Can the ACC prevent a SEC or Big 12 raid…it’s the last remaining domino. Because there’s enough teams for a 3 conferences/24 teams each…but idk if there is room for 4 conferences/20 teams each.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I’m clearly missing what the college football subreddit was going for joke-wise here…
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Florida state is trying to get a private equity to leave the ACC early, so the joke is that they’re going to turn to Saudi Arabia to pay their way out
 
#88
#88
I could Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse and Boston College join the AAC or Big East. Those four teams aren’t good in football, care more about basketball and can join the AAC if the ACC disbands.
 
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zjcvols said:
I could Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse and Boston College join the AAC or Big East. Those four teams aren’t good in football, care more about basketball and can join the AAC if the ACC disbands.
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I think Duke will end up in the B10 or 12. The latter clearly is trying to build a basketball juggernaut, so Duke would be an obvious choice for them. And Duke isn’t bad at football anymore, so the B10 would be interested.

Not that that matters-if it did, Rutgers would’ve never been added to the B10, and they wouldn’t have been talking to Stanford and Cal.
 
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HeuperDrive said:
I think Duke will end up in the B10 or 12. The latter clearly is trying to build a basketball juggernaut, so Duke would be an obvious choice for them. And Duke isn’t bad at football anymore, so the B10 would be interested.

Not that that matters-if it did, Rutgers would’ve never been added to the B10, and they wouldn’t have been talking to Stanford and Cal.
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Rutgers AD and President deserve a lifetime contract. The fact they were able to get in the Big Ten when it’s clear that their AD could have been relegated to Big East bball or like the AAC and lost millions upon millions is incredible. What an awesome play by them.
 
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#91
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I think this is what we get

SEC adds: Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State, North Carolina

Big Ten adds: Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, Notre Dame, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

Big 12 adds: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Washington State, Oregon State…Wake Forest, Louisville, Duke…USF, Memphis, SMU
 
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zjcvols said:
I think this is what we get

SEC adds: Miami, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Virginia Tech, NC State, North Carolina

Big Ten adds: Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, Notre Dame, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington

Big 12 adds: Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Washington State, Oregon State…Wake Forest, Louisville, Duke…USF, Memphis, SMU
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My OCD will require renaming all conferences to something generic.
 
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#98
hog88 said:
The other 4 conferences or 3 of them at least couldn't generate the dollars the SEC can.
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Yep, the reality is that the rest of the country can't compete fan-for-fan or dollar-for-dollar with the south, and with the SEC. "In the South, football is king." They can't compete with that reality, but they can team up and try to outspend it. Some sort of damned yankee ego thing.

Then you add the SEC adding TX/OU, and the weakness of the PAC-12 deal, and the Big 10 decided to eat now and worry about digestion later.
 
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