Conference Mock (as of now)

#102
#102
I don't think the SEC needs to expand, but with all the other conferences(Big 10, Pac-10 mainly) expanding I wouldn't be surprised at the SEC adding a few more teams
 
#103
#103
If Mizzou and Texas (among others) go outside the SEC, we'd be wise to pick up the Virginia and NC markets with NC and UVA if possible. UVA is struggling in football right now, but they are a strong academic school with a good overall sports program. The VA market would even add a portion of the DC interest. NC much the same. Not saying it's possible, but there are a lot of peeps in those two states. Oh yeah, and Charlottesville would be an awesome road trip.
 
#104
#104
Picking up the Texas markets is the best case scenario for the SEC. But outside of that, it is North Carolina. I don't know the liklihood of picking up any school in NC. If we want UNC, would we have to offer Duke too?
 
#106
#106
I know this is all about football, but I (as a UT fan transplanted from North Carolina where I was born and raised) don't see any scenario that would separate Carolina and Duke.
 
#108
#108
99gator said:
adding clemson, ga tech, fsu, miami. does it add good football programs? yes. but, it doesn't make the pot of money the SEC would earn bigger and then you would have to split the pot by an additional four schools.

the texas schools make the pot bigger.

north carolina and duke would make the pot bigger. i know football is king, but what they would do for the basketball side of the house can not be questioned. they would be selling tickets in arenas all over the SEC. in addition, you add north carolina as a state to the SEC.

you have to add programs that add money to the league, else you're just adding programs to add programs and end up taking home a smaller chunk of change for being a member of the league.
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This is the point that a lot of people seem to be missing. Adding Clemson, Miami, FSU, and GT doesn't do anything but add 4 more mouths to feed.
Let's take them one at a time:

Clemson - What great tv market are they gonna add that USC doesn't already give the SEC? The SCar market is tiny. Do they have a single city the size of Nashville or Memphis?

Miami - Miami fans don't even consistently support Miami. That town is a pro-town for all intents and purposes. If I lived in miami I'd rather be down in South Beach. Have you seen the women? :bow2:They don't even have a stadium of thier own but I'm sure the pagentry and game day experience is first rate.

GT - Great academics but where's the $ value gonna come from? ATL is already the defacto home of the SEC since almost all of our conference tournaments have been played there at some point. GT is like Vandy in Nashville. The only people that follow the team are the folks that attended GT or they're the elitists that care nothing about sports.

FSU - It's located in northern Florida. What market is it gonna give the SEC that UF doesn't already get? Do you think there were a significant number of folks in Tallahassee that refused to watch the Gators these past few years as they've basically dominated the SEC? I doubt any significant number of FL panhandle residents refused to watch the Gators play out of sheer distaste for the SEC and loyalty to the ACC.

Of the 4, FSU is the only one that might allow the conference to break even. The rest look like a guaranteed net financial loss.

Regardless of some of the views I've seen here, Texas A&M would be a great addition. It's located in-between Dallas, Ft. Worth, Houston, and San Antonio and is the co-flagship university of the state. How the heck can they be considered a bad addition? Every last one of those cities is bigger than anything in South Carolina. Figure out a way to get Oklahoma or even Missouri (although that window looks closed) and call the westward expansion complete. LSU, Arky, Miss, MissSt, Bama, A&M and OU would make a nice collection of western teams. Don't even consider OkSt, TxTech, Memphis, LVille, etc. They're all 2nd, 3rd, or 4th fiddle in their own states. They'd be useless filler.

In the east the SEC needs to find a way to get one of the following sets: UNC/Duke/NCST or VT/UVA/MD. Throw NCST, MD, or FSU into the mix only if a suitable 2nd team from the west can't be found.

UNC/Duke would add solid tv markets, recruiting, basketball, add an additional state to the SEC footprint, bring in some more natural rivals for USC & Vandy, and it would solidify the conference in every state below the Mason Dixon line from Texas to the Atlantic. This would in no way prevent the NC schools from playing each other in B-Ball every year. Virginia/VT has all the same advantages as UNC/Duke except for basketball. The Virginia tv markets would be huge and culturally they all fit although I'll admit Duke, UNC, & UVA have more in common with Vandy academically than anyone else in the conference. TN, UF, UGA, UK, Aub, USC, UNC, Duke, would make a pretty good eastern division. Or substitute VT, UVA.

Make no mistake this round of expansion is about $ and not what would make for compelling football. TV viewers are the number 1 priority since that's what's generating the revenue.
 
#109
#109
Knox9552 said:
Its honestly whoever makes their move first...say aTm made a move and joined the SEC...that would stick Texas in a bad situation and vice versa with Texas joining the Pac10 (16?).
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Yes, but TX government is not worried about protecting TX since TX is the big jewel for any and all conferences and would have no trouble finding another conference without aTm. aTm is being protected with TX so that they don't get left behind. That's why the TX government is talking about preventing a deal which would take TX without aTm. If aTm leaves before TX, it becomes a moot point.
 
#111
#111
Okay, I'm bored so I'll play this game.

I see no changes in the SEC or MAC. Notre Dame and the service academies remain independents, for now.

ACC West Virginia and Syracuse leave the Big East join the ACC. Your new ACC:

Boston College
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
West Virginia

Big 10(14) Nebraska joins from the Big 12. Pitt and Rutgers join from the Big East. Your new Big10(14):

Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Michigan
Michigan State
Minnesota
Nebraska
Northwestern
Ohio State
Pittsburg
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers
Wisconsin

Big East With nowhere to go, Cincinatti, UConn, Louisville and South Florida will trade whatever cache the (soon-to-be-former) BCS conference name carries and make a run at Conference USA members ECU, Marshall, Memphis, UCF, and Sun Belt Members FIU, Florida Atlantic and Western Kentucky. The new Big East:

Central Florida
Cinncinatti
Connecticut
East Carolina
Florida Atlantic
Florida International
Louisville
Marshall
Memphis
South Florida
Western Kentucky

PAC 10(16) I'll follow conventional wisdom and say they get the Texas schools (minus Baylor), the Oklahoma schools and Colorado thereby gutting the Big 12. The PAC 10(16):

Arizona
Arizona State
California
Colorado
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State

CUSA+Sun Belt+Regionally Allied (New Southwest) The leftovers of Conference USA and the Sun Belt, Baylor, TCU from the Mountain West and Louisiana Tech from the WAC, unite into a 16-team southwest-based dual division conference. The New Southwest Conference:

Alabama Birmingham
Arkansas State
Baylor
Louisiana Laffayette
Louisiana Monroe
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
North Texas
Rice
SMU
Southern Miss
TCU
Texas El Paso (UTEP)
Troy
Tulane
Tulsa

Big 12 North+Mountain West The Mountain West swaps San Diego State for New Mexico State out of the WAC and pairs with the cast-offs from the Big 12 North to form a potential BCS dual division conference in the heartland, which will include:

Air Force
BYU
Colorado State
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
New Mexico
New Mexico State
UNLV
Utah
Wyoming

NOTE: Obviously, this conference would want Boisie State and would rather take them than New Mexico State.

WAC The WAC is more or less unchanged, depending on what Boisie decides to do. They are down one school from the loss of LaTech and swapped new Mexico State for San Diego State. Pretty much a break even propositon when you remove the cost of travel to Louisiana. If Boisie leaves the conference, I could see the schools that remain all going independent for the next few years.
 
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