Confidential Documents Reveal US Officials Lied About Afghanistan

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Who is surprised at all by any of this? Probably none of you will act surprised, but 90% of you reading this called Ron Paul a lunatic on foreign policy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

The documents were generated by a federal project examining the root failures of the longest armed conflict in U.S. history. They include more than 2,000 pages of previously unpublished notes of interviews with people who played a direct role in the war, from generals and diplomats to aid workers and Afghan officials.

The U.S. government tried to shield the identities of the vast majority of those interviewed for the project and conceal nearly all of their remarks. The Post won release of the documents under the Freedom of Information Act after a three-year legal battle.

In the interviews, more than 400 insiders offered unrestrained criticism of what went wrong in Afghanistan and how the United States became mired in nearly two decades of warfare.

With a bluntness rarely expressed in public, the interviews lay bare pent-up complaints, frustrations and confessions, along with second-guessing and backbiting.

“We were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan — we didn’t know what we were doing,” Douglas Lute, a three-star Army general who served as the White House’s Afghan war czar during the Bush and Obama administrations, told government interviewers in 2015. He added: “What are we trying to do here? We didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.”

“If the American people knew the magnitude of this dysfunction . . . 2,400 lives lost,” Lute added, blaming the deaths of U.S. military personnel on bureaucratic breakdowns among Congress, the Pentagon and the State Department. “Who will say this was in vain?”

Since 2001, more than 775,000 U.S. troops have deployed to Afghanistan, many repeatedly. Of those, 2,300 died there and 20,589 were wounded in action, according to Defense Department figures.
 
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Who is surprised at all by any of this? Probably none of you will act surprised, but 90% of you reading this called Ron Paul a lunatic on foreign policy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

The documents were generated by a federal project examining the root failures of the longest armed conflict in U.S. history. They include more than 2,000 pages of previously unpublished notes of interviews with people who played a direct role in the war, from generals and diplomats to aid workers and Afghan officials.

The U.S. government tried to shield the identities of the vast majority of those interviewed for the project and conceal nearly all of their remarks. The Post won release of the documents under the Freedom of Information Act after a three-year legal battle.

In the interviews, more than 400 insiders offered unrestrained criticism of what went wrong in Afghanistan and how the United States became mired in nearly two decades of warfare.

With a bluntness rarely expressed in public, the interviews lay bare pent-up complaints, frustrations and confessions, along with second-guessing and backbiting.

“We were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan — we didn’t know what we were doing,” Douglas Lute, a three-star Army general who served as the White House’s Afghan war czar during the Bush and Obama administrations, told government interviewers in 2015. He added: “What are we trying to do here? We didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.”

“If the American people knew the magnitude of this dysfunction . . . 2,400 lives lost,” Lute added, blaming the deaths of U.S. military personnel on bureaucratic breakdowns among Congress, the Pentagon and the State Department. “Who will say this was in vain?”

Since 2001, more than 775,000 U.S. troops have deployed to Afghanistan, many repeatedly. Of those, 2,300 died there and 20,589 were wounded in action, according to Defense Department figures.

Scores more suffering from PTSD, not to mention the suicide. I talked to a o-5 buddy of mine who's been deployed to the middle east a half dozen times, he'd tell you that we haven't been in Afghanistan for 18 years, we've been there for one year, eighteen times. There's never been any consistency in mission, except for the creep into unrelated, unuseful roles.
 
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Scores more suffering from PTSD, not to mention the suicide. I talked to a o-5 buddy of mine who's been deployed to the middle east a half dozen times, he'd tell you that we haven't been in Afghanistan for 18 years, we've been there for one year, eighteen times. There's never been any consistency in mission, except for the creep into unrelated, unuseful roles.

One of my best friends from HS did like 7 tours in Afghanistan as an Apache pilot and he will tell anyone who listens that we shouldn't be there...and he's generally a toe-the-company line kinda guy. He won't speak to Iraq because he didn't go there, but he'll sure tell you what he thinks about Afghanistan.
 
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It's been a bad half century for the US. We lost Mr Johnson's war in Asia. We lost Mr. Bush's and Mr Cheney's war in Iraq and destabilized the region. Afghanistan has always been lose lose. Would the last soldier out please turn off the lights. On top of that Mr Orange is trying to cede Europe to Mr Putin because Mr Putin seems to own him or for some reason Mr Orange thinks he's our friend.

Don't worry though we have a big beautiful wall going up in Texas and a big check coming from Mexico.
 
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Not surprised at all. First, anybody with a modicum of awareness knows wars in Afghanistan are unwinnable. Secondly, 99% of our politicians and the leeches who suckle at the government teet are incapable of telling the truth.

I know you are not surprised and I don't think you were one of the people saying Ron Paul was a lunatic, but it's amazing to me that Ron Paul predicting this exact sort of thing got him labeled a lunatic. His ideas about the MIC were a deal-breaker for 90% of people leaning right. 11 years later, his concerns are so widely accepted as truth that nobody will be surprised by this FISA confirmation.
 
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One of my best friends from HS did like 7 tours in Afghanistan as an Apache pilot and he will tell anyone who listens that we shouldn't be there...and he's generally a toe-the-company line kinda guy. He won't speak to Iraq because he didn't go there, but he'll sure tell you what he thinks about Afghanistan.

One of my handymen is suffering with PTSD. His life is jacked up now because of the trauma and the medications he is on because of it.
 
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It's been a bad half century for the US. We lost Mr Johnson's war in Asia. We lost Mr. Bush's and Mr Cheney's war in Iraq and destabilized the region. Afghanistan has always been lose lose. Would the last soldier out please turn off the lights. On top of that Mr Orange is trying to cede Europe to Mr Putin because Mr Putin seems to own him or for some reason Mr Orange thinks he's our friend.

Don't worry though we have a big beautiful wall going up in Texas and a big check coming from Mexico.
I was wondering how long it would take one of the resident loony leftists.....
 
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It's been a bad half century for the US. We lost Mr Johnson's war in Asia. We lost Mr. Bush's and Mr Cheney's war in Iraq and destabilized the region. Afghanistan has always been lose lose. Would the last soldier out please turn off the lights. On top of that Mr Orange is trying to cede Europe to Mr Putin because Mr Putin seems to own him or for some reason Mr Orange thinks he's our friend.

Don't worry though we have a big beautiful wall going up in Texas and a big check coming from Mexico.

Not trying to be an arse, here. But can you walk me through your line of thought. You take the position it has been a bad half century of meddling in other's business (a position with which I agree). But then it seems you're wanting us to meddle in Europe because of Putinphobia. How do you reconcile the thoughts?
 
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One of my handymen is suffering with PTSD. His life is jacked up now because of the trauma and the medications he is on because of it.

Well, the good news for my buddy is he already had trauma and I think the military was good for him. He was a guy that was prepared to see some ****, so that didn't ruin him, and his life is in much better order than I would have predicted back in HS.
 
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It's been a bad half century for the US. We lost Mr Johnson's war in Asia. We lost Mr. Bush's and Mr Cheney's war in Iraq and destabilized the region. Afghanistan has always been lose lose. Would the last soldier out please turn off the lights. On top of that Mr Orange is trying to cede Europe to Mr Putin because Mr Putin seems to own him or for some reason Mr Orange thinks he's our friend.

Don't worry though we have a big beautiful wall going up in Texas and a big check coming from Mexico.

And Democrats aren't backing Tulsi Gabbard, the only candidate who will take down the MIC.
 
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Who even knows anymore? What candidates say they will do and what they actually do are usually far removed from each other.

Nobody knows that Gabbard will keep her promises, but we know for sure that nobody else is doing anything to significantly rein in foreign policy. They're not even speaking to it, whereas Gabbard is public enemy #1 in the party because she's going so hard at it.
 
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Not trying to be an arse, here. But can you walk me through your line of thought. You take the position it has been a bad half century of meddling in other's business (a position with which I agree). But then it seems you're wanting us to meddle in Europe because of Putinphobia. How do you reconcile the thoughts?

Trump is the one meddling with our European allies. They weren't thrilled when Trump pulled out of the arms deal with Russia. A deal that helped secure our allies. Is that the type of meddling you're talking about or is there some dem operative like Giuliani running around Europe meddling?
 
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Trump is the one meddling with our European allies. They weren't thrilled when Trump pulled out of the arms deal with Russia. A deal that helped secure our allies. Is that the type of meddling you're talking about or is there some dem operative like Giuliani running around Europe meddling?
How is us pulling out of a deal meddling?

I dont like that we backed out, but that's almost literally the opposite of meddling.
 
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Trump is the one meddling with our European allies. They weren't thrilled when Trump pulled out of the arms deal with Russia. A deal that helped secure our allies. Is that the type of meddling you're talking about or is there some dem operative like Giuliani running around Europe meddling?
Both. All the above.

The whole gamut of meddling is up for discussion.
 
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Anybody know the approximate count of troops and cost to our budget still on the books for Afghanistan this year?
 
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War accounting Vietnam style. Why we are still there is probably best answered by "job security" both in and outside the military, and great paychecks for contractors. Most boondoggles have long money trails for somebody.
 
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