Confidential Documents Reveal US Officials Lied About Afghanistan

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Hunerwadel said:
It's been a bad half century for the US. We lost Mr Johnson's war in Asia. We lost Mr. Bush's and Mr Cheney's war in Iraq and destabilized the region. Afghanistan has always been lose lose. Would the last soldier out please turn off the lights. On top of that Mr Orange is trying to cede Europe to Mr Putin because Mr Putin seems to own him or for some reason Mr Orange thinks he's our friend.

Don't worry though we have a big beautiful wall going up in Texas and a big check coming from Mexico.
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Being a fool armchair qb is easy.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who is surprised at all by any of this? Probably none of you will act surprised, but 90% of you reading this called Ron Paul a lunatic on foreign policy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

A confidential trove of government documents obtained by The Washington Post reveals that senior U.S. officials failed to tell the truth about the war in Afghanistan throughout the 18-year campaign, making rosy pronouncements they knew to be false and hiding unmistakable evidence the war had become unwinnable.

The documents were generated by a federal project examining the root failures of the longest armed conflict in U.S. history. They include more than 2,000 pages of previously unpublished notes of interviews with people who played a direct role in the war, from generals and diplomats to aid workers and Afghan officials.

The U.S. government tried to shield the identities of the vast majority of those interviewed for the project and conceal nearly all of their remarks. The Post won release of the documents under the Freedom of Information Act after a three-year legal battle.

In the interviews, more than 400 insiders offered unrestrained criticism of what went wrong in Afghanistan and how the United States became mired in nearly two decades of warfare.

With a bluntness rarely expressed in public, the interviews lay bare pent-up complaints, frustrations and confessions, along with second-guessing and backbiting.

“We were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan — we didn’t know what we were doing,” Douglas Lute, a three-star Army general who served as the White House’s Afghan war czar during the Bush and Obama administrations, told government interviewers in 2015. He added: “What are we trying to do here? We didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.”

“If the American people knew the magnitude of this dysfunction . . . 2,400 lives lost,” Lute added, blaming the deaths of U.S. military personnel on bureaucratic breakdowns among Congress, the Pentagon and the State Department. “Who will say this was in vain?”

Since 2001, more than 775,000 U.S. troops have deployed to Afghanistan, many repeatedly. Of those, 2,300 died there and 20,589 were wounded in action, according to Defense Department figures.
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Trump hasn’t been perfect but his foreign policy has been much better than his predecessors
 
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Purple Tiger said:
As a member of NATO, we aren't meddling in Europe. We are supposed to be there and assist in their defense. Ironically, Trump wants to twist the nips of our NATO partners while he gets his backside violated by Putin. Those piss videos must exist.

Everywhere else = meddling.
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Ridiculous BS. He wants them to pay us for the security we’re providing.

Your programming is complete.

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AirVol said:
The CIA runs the poppy fields there. Heroin production increased there while the US occupied. Heroin use increased dramatically in the US since we’ve occupied Afghanistan.
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Not to mention opiate based pharmaceuticals big pharma made billions from through our great doctors.
 
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Two scandals of epic proportions... the government using deceit to lead us into war, and to spy on an American citizen during a Presidential election. And the media is covering memes. Enemy of the people!
 
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golfballs said:
"The IG probe identified at least 17 "significant inaccuracies and omissions" in the Page applications and said they would launch a new audit into the FISA process. "

Like I said. Deceit.
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Yes but that didn't change his opinion to "unjustified and biased." The errors are an issue certainly, but it turns your knowingly false, parroted argument of "spying on a citizen" into that which you are accusing it of.... Deceit.
 
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Septic said:
Yes but that didn't change his opinion to "unjustified and biased." The errors are an issue certainly, but it turns your knowingly false, parroted argument of "spying on a citizen" into that which you are accusing it of.... Deceit.
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^A CNN viewer
 
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golfballs said:
"The IG probe identified at least 17 "significant inaccuracies and omissions" in the Page applications and said they would launch a new audit into the FISA process. "

Like I said. Deceit.

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Are they saying Carter Page was in fact a "spy" for the CIA when he joined Trump's campaign?
 
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Mick said:
Was his previous work for the CIA supposed to exempt him from a FISA warrant after he left Trumps campaign and why did they quit using him in 2013?
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Yes it matters a lot. The FISA warrant was never justified. They had to lie in order to get it.
 
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The IG report “found that FBI personnel fell far short of the requirement in FBI policy that they ensure that all factual statements in a FISA application are ‘scrupulously accurate.'” “we identified multiple instances in which factual assertions relied upon in the first FISA application were inaccurate, incomplete, or unsupported by appropriate documentation, based upon information the FBI had in its possession at the time the application was filed.”

The very first one of those mentioned is the fact that he was working with the CIA.
 
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golfballs said:
Yes it matters a lot. The FISA warrant was never justified. They had to lie in order to get it.
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Yeah, that's not what the IG said.

Maybe if you keep shouting it passing cars on the street corner you'll get someone to believe you.
 
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Septic said:
Yeah, that's not what the IG said.

Maybe if you keep shouting it passing cars on the street corner you'll get someone to believe you.
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Wow! A FISA was warranted that’s why they had to lie and withhold exculpatory evidence. That tinfoil hat on your head is really working.
 
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golfballs said:
Wow! A FISA was warranted that’s why they had to lie and withhold exculpatory evidence. That tinfoil hat on your head is really working.
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Your beef is with the IG.

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Septic said:
Yeah, that's not what the IG said.

Maybe if you keep shouting it passing cars on the street corner you'll get someone to believe you.
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Didn't Comey say they tried to get a FISA warrant on Page and couldn't get it until they used the Russian dossier as the centerpiece?
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Didn't Comey say they tried to get a FISA warrant on Page and couldn't get it until they used the Russian dossier as the centerpiece?
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It had to wait 2 weeks after it was denied then the dossier was introduced.... And just like that.... Another fisa extension approved.
 
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