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Question for our lawyer types.

Since the IG report listed a multitude of "mistakes" in obtaining and renewing the FISA warrants, do you think that if there were any convictions that came from them they would be thrown out on appeal?
 
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volfanjustin said:
There won't be, they are safe. Libs have no ethics and are irresponsible. They have a job to do and that's do anything you have to do to damage the mean orange man
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The problem with this issue is that the GOP has been such a moving target on it. The GOP has alternately claimed:

* The Steele dossier was the sole basis for seeking FISA warrants.

Not true. It was a small part of it. There was plenty of corroborating material.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier preceded the seeking of the FISA warrants and motivated the deep state to seek the warrants.

Not true. That process was underway well before the Steele dossier was even known to the agents working on it.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier was manufactured to justify "spying" on the Trump campaign.

Not true. The FISA warrants allowed surveillance of individuals, only some of whom had connections to the campaign. There was no surveillance of Trump, or his offices, etc., as he has claimed.

Mollie Hemingway is very clever, but it is painfully obvious that her claim is premised on false and misleading mischaracterizations of the facts. It is emblematic, really, of how low the GOP has sunk to defend an idiot. And its not just me saying that.

"He is shallow, he is ill-prepared to be commander-in-chief, he doesn't know what he is talking about in terms of how our laws work, he says the worst things possible about immigrants and women, and he's a complete idiot when it comes to Mideast policy."
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Go ahead. Look up the quote.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem with this issue is that the GOP has been such a moving target on it. The GOP has alternately claimed:

* The Steele dossier was the sole basis for seeking FISA warrants.

Not true. It was a small part of it. There was plenty of corroborating material.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier preceded the seeking of the FISA warrants and motivated the deep state to seek the warrants.

Not true. That process was underway well before the Steele dossier was even known to the agents working on it.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier was manufactured to justify "spying" on the Trump campaign.

Not true. The FISA warrants allowed surveillance of individuals, only some of whom had connections to the campaign. There was no surveillance of Trump, or his offices, etc., as he has claimed.

Mollie Hemingway is very clever, but it is painfully obvious that her claim is premised on false and misleading mischaracterizations of the facts. It is emblematic, really, of how low the GOP has sunk to defend an idiot. And its not just me saying that.



Go ahead. Look up the quote.
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Don't care about the quote, I would guess it's someone from primary season who cares people go after each other all the time during primaries. Remember when Bill Clinton was a racist during the primaries leading up to 2008 election?

The President had some of his people spied on during the campaign. It was wrong and people should be fired and maybe prosecuted. There were not 17 mistakes made, these were done intentionally because the leadership in the FBI and other wanted to status quo

If someone was suspected of having bad intentions the FBI should have went to the candidate (Trump in this case) and told him he potentially has a bad actor working for him, they didn't do that. We all know why.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Don't care about the quote, I would guess it's someone from primary season who cares people go after each other all the time during primaries. Remember when Bill Clinton was a racist during the primaries leading up to 2008 election?

The President had some of his people spied on during the campaign. It was wrong and people should be fired and maybe prosecuted. There were not 17 mistakes made, these were done intentionally because the leadership in the FBI and other wanted to status quo

If someone was suspected of having bad intentions the FBI should have went to the candidate (Trump in this case) and told him he potentially has a bad actor working for him, they didn't do that. We all know why.
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I agree to a certain extent with your last comment. But you must agree with me that Trump had done and said a number of things that at the time certainly could have raised suspicions that he was complicit. I get that at this point the evidence of that is just not there, but looking back it is I think easy to see how the investigators would have viewed himn skeptically at the time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree to a certain extent with your last comment. But you must agree with me that Trump had done and said a number of things that at the time certainly could have raised suspicions that he was complicit. I get that at this point the evidence of that is just not there, but looking back it is I think easy to see how the investigators would have viewed himn skeptically at the time.
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The fact the FBI and maybe others were all to willing to go along with this should scare the schiff out of every American
 
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volfanjustin said:
The fact the FBI and maybe others were all to willing to go along with this should scare the schiff out of every American
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It all started with the Australian ambassador to the UK reporting to US intelligence that Papadopolous was going around saying the Russians were going to help Trump's campaign, followed by the wikileaks release via Russian sources.

You can rightfuly debate whether it went too far, but it would have absoletuely been a dereliction of duty not to have investigated that, given Trump's comments and other indicia of a nexus between the campaign and Russian efforts to interfere in the election, which is definitely true.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It all started with the Australian ambassador to the UK reporting to US intelligence that Papadopolous was going around saying the Russians were going to help Trump's campaign, followed by the wikileaks release via Russian sources.

You can rightfuly debate whether it went too far, but it would have absoletuely been a dereliction of duty not to have investigated that, given Trump's comments and other indicia of a nexus between the campaign and Russian efforts to interfere in the election, which is definitely true.
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I remember when dems would have been against this abuse of power, no since it's someone you all hate it's all good. One day this will backfire I promise. It will happen to someone you like or vote for and when that happens no crying.
 
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