Congress Criminal Referral Clinton, Comey, McCabe, Lynch, Strzok, and Page to DOJ

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volfanjustin said:
I remember when dems would have been against this abuse of power, no since it's someone you all hate it's all good. One day this will backfire I promise. It will happen to someone you like or vote for and when that happens no crying.
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Obviously I reject your characterization of it as an "abuse of power" (and the irony of that is not lost on me given the articles of impeachment of Trump).

Incidentally, was talking to an ardent Trump supporter friend of mine just yesterday who candidly confessed that Trump is an idiot for having done what he did with Ukraine right after Muller report came out. Its like he completely ignored the premise of the criticism and just went and made it worse.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem with this issue is that the GOP has been such a moving target on it. The GOP has alternately claimed:

* The Steele dossier was the sole basis for seeking FISA warrants.

Not true. It was a small part of it. There was plenty of corroborating material.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier preceded the seeking of the FISA warrants and motivated the deep state to seek the warrants.

Not true. That process was underway well before the Steele dossier was even known to the agents working on it.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier was manufactured to justify "spying" on the Trump campaign.

Not true. The FISA warrants allowed surveillance of individuals, only some of whom had connections to the campaign. There was no surveillance of Trump, or his offices, etc., as he has claimed.

Mollie Hemingway is very clever, but it is painfully obvious that her claim is premised on false and misleading mischaracterizations of the facts. It is emblematic, really, of how low the GOP has sunk to defend an idiot. And its not just me saying that.



Go ahead. Look up the quote.
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You obviously have zero understanding of FISA surveillance or you’re just dishonest.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It all started with the Australian ambassador to the UK reporting to US intelligence that Papadopolous was going around saying the Russians were going to help Trump's campaign, followed by the wikileaks release via Russian sources.

You can rightfuly debate whether it went too far, but it would have absoletuely been a dereliction of duty not to have investigated that, given Trump's comments and other indicia of a nexus between the campaign and Russian efforts to interfere in the election, which is definitely true.
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That’s good - stick with the talking points.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The problem with this issue is that the GOP has been such a moving target on it. The GOP has alternately claimed:

* The Steele dossier was the sole basis for seeking FISA warrants.

Not true. It was a small part of it. There was plenty of corroborating material.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier preceded the seeking of the FISA warrants and motivated the deep state to seek the warrants.

Not true. That process was underway well before the Steele dossier was even known to the agents working on it.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier was manufactured to justify "spying" on the Trump campaign.

Not true. The FISA warrants allowed surveillance of individuals, only some of whom had connections to the campaign. There was no surveillance of Trump, or his offices, etc., as he has claimed.

Mollie Hemingway is very clever, but it is painfully obvious that her claim is premised on false and misleading mischaracterizations of the facts. It is emblematic, really, of how low the GOP has sunk to defend an idiot. And its not just me saying that.



Go ahead. Look up the quote.
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lawgator1 said:
The problem with this issue is that the GOP has been such a moving target on it. The GOP has alternately claimed:

* The Steele dossier was the sole basis for seeking FISA warrants.

Not true. It was a small part of it. There was plenty of corroborating material.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier preceded the seeking of the FISA warrants and motivated the deep state to seek the warrants.

Not true. That process was underway well before the Steele dossier was even known to the agents working on it.

* Then it became that the Steele dossier was manufactured to justify "spying" on the Trump campaign.

Not true. The FISA warrants allowed surveillance of individuals, only some of whom had connections to the campaign. There was no surveillance of Trump, or his offices, etc., as he has claimed.

Mollie Hemingway is very clever, but it is painfully obvious that her claim is premised on false and misleading mischaracterizations of the facts. It is emblematic, really, of how low the GOP has sunk to defend an idiot. And its not just me saying that.



Go ahead. Look up the quote.
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Haha
 
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volfanjustin said:
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Oh, Dear Lord. That is not at all what he said. He said that the FISA warrant particularly for Page was based on what the Steele sources then directly told investigators. NOT THE DOSSISER. Jesus, you and this twitter poster just freely butcher and misstate what people actually say all you want, don't you?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh, Dear Lord. That is not at all what he said. He said that the FISA warrant particularly for Page was based on what the Steele sources then directly told investigators. NOT THE DOSSISER. Jesus, you and this twitter poster just freely butcher and misstate what people actually say all you want, don't you?
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Not even close to what he said. Your fake story is blown out of the water
 
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