Constitutionality of Shutdowns

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n_huffhines

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In AZ, Doucey ordered most businesses with patrons shut down, then he opened us back up, then arbitrarily decided gyms shouldn't be open and closed them. Mountainside Fitness, claiming $15m in losses so far, defied the order, racking up fines for a week until they could see their day in court. Their injunction was denied and the judge sided with Doucey. I'm interested to see where this case goes from here, and I'm wondering if anybody has other interesting cases to follow?

The CEO's press conference from last Friday is really interesting because he lays out the timeline of everything that's happened.



And here's the news from this week.

Judge says Mountainside gyms must close to comply with COVID-19 order
 
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Honestly I think this is all just informal Marshall law. Trying to apply that thinking and mind set with out a formal declaration. If all of these businesses have complied with the laws on the books to hold their business license and their opportunity to practice free enterprise has been intercepted and blocked by the government they should all collectively sue the agency blocking them and “made whole” I believe the term is in legalese.
 
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They shouldn’t be shutting anything down and just requiring masks. Some businesses may have to adjust a bit but this constant shutting and reopening makes little sense
 
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I don't know of any other cases, I'm really surprised that the courts are not flooded with them. Maybe the shutdowns are constitutional and lawyers are giving clients that advice?

But we all know that lawyers are just the lapdogs of the DNC.
 
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I honestly had no idea just how much power a governor or mayor held , until this little Covid experiment . That’s why I really don’t care who holds the Oval Office as much anymore . All it take is for the governor or mayor to declare an emergency and they pretty much do what they want to do .
 
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n_huffhines said:
In AZ, Doucey ordered most businesses with patrons shut down, then he opened us back up, then arbitrarily decided gyms shouldn't be open and closed them. Mountainside Fitness, claiming $15m in losses so far, defied the order, racking up fines for a week until they could see their day in court. Their injunction was denied and the judge sided with Doucey. I'm interested to see where this case goes from here, and I'm wondering if anybody has other interesting cases to follow?

The CEO's press conference from last Friday is really interesting because he lays out the timeline of everything that's happened.



And here's the news from this week.

Judge says Mountainside gyms must close to comply with COVID-19 order
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I’ve wondered about this from the get go. Even if there’s some argument to be made about the power of state health departments, it’s been so arbitrary that I can’t see how it’s constitutional. How can people be allowed to cram into an airplane but people can’t go to a gym where social distancing can be accommodated?
 
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golfballs said:
I’ve wondered about this from the get go. Even if there’s some argument to be made about the power of state health departments, it’s been so arbitrary that I can’t see how it’s constitutional. How can people be allowed to cram into an airplane but people can’t go to a gym where social distancing can be accommodated?
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Money has a lot to do with it. Lawsuits are expensive and most business owners don't have the cash to pay for one especially with no income being generated.

I'm surprised, well not really that the ACLU hasn't stepped in and filed suit. Aren't they a civil liberties organization?
 
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hog88 said:
Money has a lot to do with it. Lawsuits are expensive and most business owners don't have the cash to pay for one especially with no income being generated.

I'm surprised, well not really that the ACLU hasn't stepped in and filed suit. Aren't they a civil liberties organization?
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They intend to get right on this in December.
 
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hog88 said:
Money has a lot to do with it. Lawsuits are expensive and most business owners don't have the cash to pay for one especially with no income being generated.

I'm surprised, well not really that the ACLU hasn't stepped in and filed suit. Aren't they a civil liberties organization?
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I mean, in fairness, what about the big conservative organizations? Where are they? The ACLU is suing to get people out of prison in danger of COVID.
 
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Honestly I'm surprised that this hasn't happened more. Its probably cheaper for them to pay the fines than it is to shut down and incur the losses that they would've.
Also I believe the government does owe these businesses restitution since they mandated the shut down and are now trying to do it again. Especially since they seem to be picking and choosing based on how they feel.
 
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hog88 said:
I was asking you what conservative organizations you were talking about.
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I know, and if you can't name any, I guess there aren't any. Again, how pathetic. I guess this is the result of nincompoops thinking there is nothing wrong with the CJS, LOL.

Let's point the finger at the ACLU for not fixing something that matters to us and that we could try to fix.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I know, and if you can't name any, I guess there aren't any. Again, how pathetic. I guess this is the result of nincompoops thinking there is nothing wrong with the CJS, LOL.

Let's point the finger at the ACLU for not fixing something that matters to us and that we could try to fix.
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I get it, just another Huff start ******** post.

What conservative organizations were you thinking of when you made the comment? Name some and then I could either agree with you or argue opposition.
 
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hog88 said:
Money has a lot to do with it. Lawsuits are expensive and most business owners don't have the cash to pay for one especially with no income being generated.

I'm surprised, well not really that the ACLU hasn't stepped in and filed suit. Aren't they a civil liberties organization?
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Just checking in on what they’re currently doing..., it looks like defending a man who raped, murdered, dismembered, burned and dumped the remains of a teenage girl into a septic pond, beat an elderly woman w polio to death with a claw hammer, and kidnapped and killed a child
 
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hog88 said:
I get it, just another Huff start ******** post.

What conservative organizations were you thinking of when you made the comment? Name some and then I could either agree with you or argue opposition.
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What you call a **** post, others might call a rhetorical question. I guess blue font would have helped.
 
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golfballs said:
Just checking in on what they’re currently doing..., it looks like defending a man who raped, murdered, dismembered, burned and dumped the remains of a teenage girl into a septic pond, beat an elderly woman w polio to death with a claw hammer, and kidnapped and killed a child
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Of course they are. Bet they'll be riots after his execution.
 
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golfballs said:
Just checking in on what they’re currently doing..., it looks like defending a man who raped, murdered, dismembered, burned and dumped the remains of a teenage girl into a septic pond, beat an elderly woman w polio to death with a claw hammer, and kidnapped and killed a child
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Glad they are out there defending our civil liberties.
 
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