Constitutionality of Shutdowns

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RockyTop85 said:
American Enterprise Institute is a conservative think tank with a wikipedia page.
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I know there are think tanks, I'm talking specifically legal advocacy groups...like the kind that would help a baker who gets sued for discrimination.
 
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There is a lot of gray area between "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and the precedent established where government has a duty to protect citizens. If it is proper for authorities to close businesses and evacuate people for gas leaks, hazmat spills, etc., then it is proper to close down businesses during a legitimate pandemic. The obvious difference only being the amount of time businesses are forcibly closed.
 
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McDad said:
There is a lot of gray area between "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and the precedent established where government has a duty to protect citizens. If it is proper for authorities to close businesses and evacuate people for gas leaks, hazmat spills, etc., then it is proper to close down businesses during a legitimate pandemic. The obvious difference only being the amount of time businesses are forcibly closed.
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And that the government could have monetary responsibility for their decision.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
And that the government could have monetary responsibility for their decision.
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Are taxpayers responsible for acts of God? A giant sink hole develops under main street and all the businesses are closed down until repaired. Job takes 6 months to complete. Business owners cannot rent other spaces because occupancy is at 99%.

Are taxpayers on the hook to compensate in my hypothetical?
 
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Unconstitutional. No elected bueracrat has the power to defy you your ability to provide for your family, whilst they are still able to be paid civil servants.

I would never have shut down any company I owned. I would make it clear that some douche politician is going to tell me what is best for me, if they feel so, they can personally come shut me down, and tell their security detail that they should call home and talk to their spouse and make sure that the possibility of dying over shutting me down is a reality, and maybe, they should think about being in my shoes.

Cash flow is king, my creditors are not going to care about my plight, regardless of the situation or political climate, as they have obligations as well, and if we all just acquiesce then somewhere the ball rolling down hill becomes a meteor crushing everything under it.

Man's codified laws are just that, man's, and for this, this man disagrees and thus, we will have to see how things shake out. Because, I am willing to fight, and die, for what is important to me. Is it that important to the police or security details, probably not, to the politician, certainly not. Leave me alone.
 
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McDad said:
Are taxpayers responsible for acts of God? A giant sink hole develops under main street and all the businesses are closed down until repaired. Job takes 6 months to complete. Business owners cannot rent other spaces because occupancy is at 99%.

Are taxpayers on the hook to compensate in my hypothetical?
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Sounds like an insurance claim.
 
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McDad said:
There is a lot of gray area between "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and the precedent established where government has a duty to protect citizens. If it is proper for authorities to close businesses and evacuate people for gas leaks, hazmat spills, etc., then it is proper to close down businesses during a legitimate pandemic. The obvious difference only being the amount of time businesses are forcibly closed.
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The difference between what you described and what’s happened with COVID is all businesses are shuttered during an evacuation for a disaster. With covid the .gov is deciding who gets to keep operating and who can’t.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I know there are think tanks, I'm talking specifically legal advocacy groups...like the kind that would help a baker who gets sued for discrimination.
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I guess the conservative legal fund money all got embezzled by the NRA leadership.
 
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Doberman said:
Sounds like an insurance claim.
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Doubtful. The sinkhole hasn't directly effected my business. the authorities shut it down for safety. But let's say insurance doesn't cover; are taxpayers responsible for my loss?
 
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McDad said:
Are taxpayers responsible for acts of God? A giant sink hole develops under main street and all the businesses are closed down until repaired. Job takes 6 months to complete. Business owners cannot rent other spaces because occupancy is at 99%.

Are taxpayers on the hook to compensate in my hypothetical?
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I don’t give the government that protection in this case. Plain and simple. They aren’t giving them an opportunity to remedy and continue to operate. They are dictating to close. So yes I think they are exposed.
 
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MG1968 said:
Ok, what is Cato.org doing to fight against these shutdown orders?
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CATO is not a legal advocacy group, it's a think tank.

IDK that they're doing anything, but I'm not the one trying to call out the ACLU for not doing anything.
 
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hog88 said:
The difference between what you described and what’s happened with COVID is all businesses are shuttered during an evacuation for a disaster. With covid the .gov is deciding who gets to keep operating and who can’t.
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It's fair point. Hard to debate the constitutionality when different businesses are treated differently. For example, the marijuana dispensary remains open, while my dental office is closed while we are equally distant from the sinkhole.
 
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The go-to libertarian legal advocacy group for me is the Institute for Justice. Actually, one of my college friends is an attorney there. One of my proudest moments in life was when he took that job. His first libertarian discussion was with me about selling organs and he thought I was nuts. Now, look at him.
 
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McDad said:
It's fair point. Hard to debate the constitutionality when different businesses are treated differently. For example, the marijuana dispensary remains open, while my dental office is closed while we are equally distant from the sinkhole.
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Even harder when they are similar type businesses, my clothing boutique is forced to close but WalMart is allowed to stay open and sell clothes and WalMart is even closer to the sinkhole.
 
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McDad said:
Doubtful. The sinkhole hasn't directly effected my business. the authorities shut it down for safety. But let's say insurance doesn't cover; are taxpayers responsible for my loss?
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These are tough questions. In this case probably not.

The damage is limited, not likely to hurt the US economy for everyone .....chalk it up to bad luck.
 
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The government wants people in masks, because you can't legally carry a firearm while wearing a mask. Soon, they will shut down all of the churches for good "to protect us from the virus!"

They wants to make us an unarmed secular populous, like Japan, so they can walk all over us. I am shocked at how many of you are fine with this.
 
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