Cory Stanton new PG

#51
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cncchris33 said:
Your first statement is the whole point I was trying to make..."How it affects the team".

My point was it will depend on the difference of how much better we are with Stanton at PG vs McRae at SG. That is all unknown until he's gets out there. Right now, McRae is playing poorly on both ends. If Stanton is good enough to hold down the PG position and be solid (he doesn't need to be all-SEC), it allows us to move Golden to SG. Stanton doesn't have to be a better PG than Golden. He just needs to be a better PG than Jordan is a SG. That will be the best benefit to the team because it will allow our best scorer to play his natural and most comfortable position. Your lineup scenario (Golden at PG, McRae at SG, and Richardson at SF), will require McRae to really improve and get stronger. There is a chance he's not here next year too. I could also see Maymon starting at the SF with Stokes at the PF.

I don't know how good Stanton will be, and I'm also not ready to call Landry "great". We throw words like that around like its commonplace. Right now, I would call him solid. He has a lot to improve on. He still has as much to prove, if not more than Stanton, though he has more time.
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if you think for 1 second that defensively maymon will be a better option than mcrae at sf then you are insane. maymon is nowhere near fast enough to be matching up against another teams sf, he would be getting blown by all game. for some reason, and its nothing more than just my opinion, i dont think we have heard the last from mcrae. he is a smart kid with a good head on his shoulders and he bleeds orange, part of me really feels like he is going to put a lot of work in in the off-season to improve. you are correct though if stanton makes our team better with him at pg then that is absolutely what should be done. as stated nobody at this point truly knows what to expect from stanton, or from mcrae next year. at the same time who knows, maybe edwards comes in and is ready to start at sf from day one, as you said alot can change or happen between now and then, i really just dont see golden not as our pg next year.
 
#52
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bleedingTNorange said:
if you think for 1 second that defensively maymon will be a better option than mcrae at sf then you are insane. maymon is nowhere near fast enough to be matching up against another teams sf, he would be getting blown by all game. for some reason, and its nothing more than just my opinion, i dont think we have heard the last from mcrae. he is a smart kid with a good head on his shoulders and he bleeds orange, part of me really feels like he is going to put a lot of work in in the off-season to improve. you are correct though if stanton makes our team better with him at pg then that is absolutely what should be done. as stated nobody at this point truly knows what to expect from stanton, or from mcrae next year. at the same time who knows, maybe edwards comes in and is ready to start at sf from day one, as you said alot can change or happen between now and then, i really just dont see golden not as our pg next year.
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One, Maymon is plenty quick enough to defend a traditional SF, and two, McRae is a SG, not a SF.
 
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cncchris33 said:
One, Maymon is plenty quick enough to defend a traditional SF, and two, McRae is a SG, not a SF.
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Thats funny if you think maymon could keep up with beal from Florida or Taylor from vandy. I'm sorry but sf aren't 6'8" 260 unless their name is lebron James. Opposing players and coaches would drool over that matchup. As far as McRae goes the 2 and 3 are interchangeable in martins style it's just a matter of who you guard this has been discussed before. Richardson is the Bette defender and is quicker therefore would be better suited guarding the 2. Just like tatum this year guarding the 3 would be much easier for McRae than the 2 as he is not that quick. But by your theory of McRae being a 2, so is mcbee and Richardson so who do you have playing sf?
 
#54
#54
McRae's quickness is not what is preventing him from playing good defense and never will be. His commitment to give it his all on the defensive end, his ability to keep disciplined, and keep his composure is what has to change. He is very quick for someone with his length. McRae will continue to grow and be a great player by his SR season. He is 1.5 years into college and still has that want to make SC's top ten. It will come in time, but what he needs to do is focus on defense. Right now he is good at getting in the passing lanes and is good at blocking shots while trailing the play. He is not good at chasing someone who is hunting their shot, fighting through screens, or keeping one eye on his man and one eye on the ball. Quickness is definitely not his weakness...
 
#55
#55
Maymon can step out and defend some SF's. The really quick ones with a decent outside shot would destroy him though. Add to that the fact that our help defense on the interior has been sorely lacking most of the season and bringing him out on the wing defensively sounds like a recipe for disaster IMO. Not through any fault of his own, but Maymon needs to be inside drawing charges and getting in position to rebound IMO.
 
#57
#57
Excluding Stokes since we haven't seen him suit up yet, the only player we have that might have a bigger upside than McCrae is probably Yemi. Both of them will be great players for us in time IMO.
 
#59
#59
Richardson has a really high upside as well. Yemi just really intrigues me. He seems to have a natural ability to get in the right position and make plays. For someone with such limited experience his BB IQ is off the charts. McCrae has elite athleticism and if he can become more consistent with his shot he can be unstoppable. Richardson seems to be one of those players that will put in the grimy work, do whatever is asked and more, and will probably grow more than anyone from his first to 2nd season and beyond. I just don't see anything about his game being elite. He will be the best defender we've had on the wing since probably Josh Tabb though, and that never hurts.
 
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DaDuRkEr said:
McRae's quickness is not what is preventing him from playing good defense and never will be. His commitment to give it his all on the defensive end, his ability to keep disciplined, and keep his composure is what has to change. He is very quick for someone with his length. McRae will continue to grow and be a great player by his SR season. He is 1.5 years into college and still has that want to make SC's top ten. It will come in time, but what he needs to do is focus on defense. Right now he is good at getting in the passing lanes and is good at blocking shots while trailing the play. He is not good at chasing someone who is hunting their shot, fighting through screens, or keeping one eye on his man and one eye on the ball. Quickness is definitely not his weakness...
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I agree with you 110% I probably worded that wrong, he is quick as shown on te offensive end you just dont see tat same energy on defense. I really like McRae as I think he is a great teammate he is always te first guy off the bench and jumping up and down on the sidelines, hes very into the team. I really hope e buys into ccm style and works with ccm because a you said his potential is sky high.

You are also spot on about maymon which is what I was trying to say. He just wouldn't be able to stick with some of the sf he would be forced to match up with. You make a great point about what one of our strengths has even, our interior defense and maymons ability on te blocks. By trying to play him at sf would take those things completely away from the team and would not be a benefit at all.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Thats funny if you think maymon could keep up with beal from Florida or Taylor from vandy. I'm sorry but sf aren't 6'8" 260 unless their name is lebron James. Opposing players and coaches would drool over that matchup. As far as McRae goes the 2 and 3 are interchangeable in martins style it's just a matter of who you guard this has been discussed before. Richardson is the Bette defender and is quicker therefore would be better suited guarding the 2. Just like tatum this year guarding the 3 would be much easier for McRae than the 2 as he is not that quick. But by your theory of McRae being a 2, so is mcbee and Richardson so who do you have playing sf?
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We can agree to disagree, but Maymon is extremely athletic and quick for a guy his size. First, he's not 6-8 as you alluded to. If he were 6-8 260, he'd be an all-SEC PF, and I wouldn't suggest he play anywhere else. However, he's 6-6 260, which makes him a matchup nightmare for SF's who are 6-6 200 in the paint. Again, we can simply disagree.
 
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To be fair, I am suggesting Maymon as a possibility at SF NEXT year, not this year. I agree that he adds a lot of positives playing in the paint, but what do you so with him next year with Stokes? I think he is too valuable to not start, and if Stokes is going to play PF, where does that leave Maymon?
 
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cncchris33 said:
To be fair, I am suggesting Maymon as a possibility at SF NEXT year, not this year. I agree that he adds a lot of positives playing in the paint, but what do you so with him next year with Stokes? I think he is too valuable to not start, and if Stokes is going to play PF, where does that leave Maymon?
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I actually was having this same conversation with my dad the other night, it seems like maymon is the one effected most by stokes coming here. My guess would be maymon will start at the 5, I know he is a little short to play there but he plays physical, a guy named Charles Barkley was the same height and he did ok. As you said he is too valuable to have coming off the bench and stokes will probably play 30 minutes a game so that wouldn't leave much for maymon. I really think ccm will play him at the 5 and see how things go if we are getting killed on the boards hell make a switche. This would also allow Kenny to come off te bench to spell maymon and then maymon to spell stokes at the 4 as well so talent wise the front court would appear to be a strength. Unfortunately we will really have no idea until next year comes around.
 
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calban said:
Zo's take on Stanton.

University of Tennessee Athletics: Men's Basketball

Sounds like he's expecting more than a practice player.
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I don't see anywherein that article ccm say that he expects any contributions from him. He said what most on here have said, he's a good kid very quick and fast and knows how to get his teamates involved. That was all he said he never says anything to the extent of I think he will see solid minutes for us. If you asked ccm what he thought about Brandon Lopez Or Galen Campbell he would say the exact same thing. In fact he has said pretty much the exact same thing about the both of them. He isn't going to say I think Cory is a stubborn guy who doesn't bring much to the table, the reason he is here is because he walked on he wouldn't have been offered a scholarship. I see a big difference in what ccm is saying and how he evaluated a guy like stokes who he talks about being on the floor, he makes no mention of Stanton seeing the floor here.
 
#68
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bleedingTNorange said:
I don't see anywherein that article ccm say that he expects any contributions from him. He said what most on here have said, he's a good kid very quick and fast and knows how to get his teamates involved. That was all he said he never says anything to the extent of I think he will see solid minutes for us. If you asked ccm what he thought about Brandon Lopez Or Galen Campbell he would say the exact same thing. In fact he has said pretty much the exact same thing about the both of them. He isn't going to say I think Cory is a stubborn guy who doesn't bring much to the table, the reason he is here is because he walked on he wouldn't have been offered a scholarship. I see a big difference in what ccm is saying and how he evaluated a guy like stokes who he talks about being on the floor, he makes no mention of Stanton seeing the floor here.
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Feel free to post any comments you find by Martin on other walk ons.
 
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#70
Never seen Stanton play. I watched Clemson play last year, but don't remember him. But if he is good enough to back up Golden next year and then be a solid pg when Landry gets here, then you have to think where Washpun figures in. I'm not dogging the kid cause I like his intensity, but he really can not handle the ball at all. I noticed it in the exhibition games this year. I'm shocked that when he's in the game that the other team does not press and trap. You seen what happened when Fl did it. CCM couldn't keep him in the game. I will be very surprised if we do not see a press from every team when he's in the game from now on. Not sure how much you can improve his ball handling skills at this level. For a pg, I would think that would be his one of his strengths, but it's a liability. If Stanton can be a solid backup next year and you have to think about possibly Mitchell coming here, then maybe you look at what schollys are truely not SEC talent.
 
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It had been discussed earlier, about his timeframe. The newest govolsxtra article states he has three years of eligibility remaining which I took to mean he will be eligible to play in the fall. That is, unless there is no distinguishing terminology to label sitting out the first semester. If that were the case, I would say he has two and a half years of eligibility, but maybe they are calling that a whole year.
 
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calban said:
Feel free to post any comments you find by Martin on other walk ons.
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johnnybravo said:
Never seen Stanton play. I watched Clemson play last year, but don't remember him. But if he is good enough to back up Golden next year and then be a solid pg when Landry gets here, then you have to think where Washpun figures in. I'm not dogging the kid cause I like his intensity, but he really can not handle the ball at all. I noticed it in the exhibition games this year. I'm shocked that when he's in the game that the other team does not press and trap. You seen what happened when Fl did it. CCM couldn't keep him in the game. I will be very surprised if we do not see a press from every team when he's in the game from now on. Not sure how much you can improve his ball handling skills at this level. For a pg, I would think that would be his one of his strengths, but it's a liability. If Stanton can be a solid backup next year and you have to think about possibly Mitchell coming here, then maybe you look at what schollys are truely not SEC talent.
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I think part of Wes problems are that he is ALL left you can tell he doesn't feel comfortable at all going right and the opposition knows this. I really expect to see a major improvement from him but I really don't ever see him being more than a back up. We have trae for 12 and 13 and then Landry will be a sophomore. I really like Wes he seems like a great kid and nobody can question his hustle he just really needs to improve the dribbling. As you said I would fully expect every team here on out will press on him once he enter the game.
 
#73
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cncchris33 said:
It had been discussed earlier, about his timeframe. The newest govolsxtra article states he has three years of eligibility remaining which I took to mean he will be eligible to play in the fall. That is, unless there is no distinguishing terminology to label sitting out the first semester. If that were the case, I would say he has two and a half years of eligibility, but maybe they are calling that a whole year.
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Yes my understanding is that he is goin to be eligible next year after the first semester, much like maymon last year. So yea technically he will have 2 1/2 years here to play.
 
#74
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johnnybravo said:
Never seen Stanton play. I watched Clemson play last year, but don't remember him. But if he is good enough to back up Golden next year and then be a solid pg when Landry gets here, then you have to think where Washpun figures in. I'm not dogging the kid cause I like his intensity, but he really can not handle the ball at all. I noticed it in the exhibition games this year. I'm shocked that when he's in the game that the other team does not press and trap. You seen what happened when Fl did it. CCM couldn't keep him in the game. I will be very surprised if we do not see a press from every team when he's in the game from now on. Not sure how much you can improve his ball handling skills at this level. For a pg, I would think that would be his one of his strengths, but it's a liability. If Stanton can be a solid backup next year and you have to think about possibly Mitchell coming here, then maybe you look at what schollys are truely not SEC talent.
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Let's talk ball handling:
McRae 22 MinPg 23 assists 26 TOs
Washpun 11 MinPg 20 assists 11 TOs

Washpun's ball handling problems have been more noticeable because they've come at inopportune times.
 
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calban said:
Let's talk ball handling:
McRae 22 MinPg 23 assists 26 TOs
Washpun 11 MinPg 20 assists 11 TOs

Washpun's ball handling problems have been more noticeable because they've come at inopportune times.
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WOW! that comes as a complete surprise to me i never would have guessed that. washpun with just about a 2:1 ratio, that is what you want from your pg. as you stated i guess it is just because they seem to come at the most inopportune times that they stick out more than the other players. very surprising to see that.
 
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