Could a 5-7 UT still make a bowl?

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NEOCON said:
I am honestly not sure how I would feel about us going to a bowl with a 5-7 record.
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chatt-townVOL said:
I would be ecstatic
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AllVolinGA said:
No bowl get to work on 2014.
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NEOCON, I completely understand your sentiment, but I ultimately agree with chatt-town because of the extra practices it provides (that the EE's can participate in, IIRC), and obviously the extra game.

Also, no matter how good or bad we are, I will ALWAYS enjoy watching my Volunteers, and want as many opportunities as possible to do so.

AllVolinGA, having a bowl game is the ideal way to get to work on 2014.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
NCAA rules state a team has to be .500 (even record) unless they aretheir conference champion then they have to petition.
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Source?

I posted the wiki article which detailed how a 5-7 team could make it, no mention that a 6-6 team has to be taken first
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
NEOCON, I completely understand your sentiment, but I ultimately agree with chatt-town because of the extra practices it provides (that the EE's can participate in, IIRC), and obviously the extra game.

Also, no matter how good or bad we are, I will ALWAYS enjoy watching my Volunteers, and want as many opportunities as possible to do so.

AllVolinGA, having a bowl game is the ideal way to get to work on 2014.
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I mean it would be absolutely huge to have bowl practices. Those are far more important than the outcome of the game. Why can some people not see this? Too "prideful" to go to a bowl as 5-7 team, gimme a break...
 
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I almost don't want to post this because it is coming from someone but no source info to back it up. However, this is VN so why. Please take this with a grain of salt. I just spoke to a friend with ties to the Belk Bowl. He said that it would likely never be used but there is specific language in the ACC tie-in contract that allows the bowls committee to now pick a 5-7 team over any other non ACC conference team because of the "UCLA 5-7 rule" as he called it. He said he suspects that the SEC contract language is similar. Basically he stopped short of calling it a loophole, but said it give the bowl committee power over the NCAA base rules thus allowing them to use any of the new criteria in any order.

He did say that he could see a bowl like the Compass Bowl taking a 5-7 Vol team over another team just because of the way we would travel and in the end, it is about the money for these bowls and sponsors.

AGAIN, this is all just unproven speculation but thought this may be enough info for someone to try to find out more if they like.
 
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#55
We beet Sc so we should deserve a bowl game not like Ohio St who really didnt play much good teams even though there record is gooder then ours we beat Sc GBO VFL
 
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As much as I would like to see UT play in a bowl game but I don't think a bowl game was earned by the team. If 6-6 is what is needed to qualify for a bowl bid and the team is 5-7 then they didn't earn it.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I could care less about a bowl game honestly but the extra practices would be nice for this team.

You would think all teams would get those extra practices especially since the worst teams need them the most.
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The extra practices would be great for the underclassmen, even without the bowl game. Pat did that with the Lady Vols after they were knocked out of the NCAA tournament relatively recently, though I don't recall the year. Garnered quite a bit of attention. Don't know what ever came of it though as to the rules.
 
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Just curious, when do Bowl invitations go out?

Are they after all the various conf. championship games?



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#63
#63
The biggest reason I want to see us in a bowl is because we'll be a completely different team 4 weeks from now.

Let's face it, our boys are just exhausted. Thin roster has led to way too many snaps for our starters. If we got to play after Christmas, you might see that same team that whooped GA everywhere but on the board and knocked SC out of the East title.

AV
 
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knoxvols11 said:
NCAA rules state a team has to be .500 (even record) unless they aretheir conference champion then they have to petition.
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A petition we would not be successful at. NCAA is pretty firm on its directives in this case. If UT gets in it's because the NCAA needs a team that will carry a big crowd. Money was loss this year due to sagging attendance during the regular season all over the country more than the NCAA will let on. UT gets in it's a money profit issue the NCAA is correcting.
 
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There are currently 79 teams that are bowl eligible. There are 3 teams that have games this weekend that can become bowl eligible. There are 35 bowl games, which would allow 70 teams to play a bowl game. So even if those 3 teams win their games this weekend, there will be 12 bowl eligible teams that will not play a bowl game. I love my VOLS, but there is no way we get an invite.

The three teams that are 5-6 and play this weekend are:
SMU
Rutgers
South Alabama ( yep the team we beat)
 
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1orangews6 said:
As much as I would like to see UT play in a bowl game but I don't think a bowl game was earned by the team. If 6-6 is what is needed to qualify for a bowl bid and the team is 5-7 then they didn't earn it.
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Dont be a goof - bowls dont give invitations because a team earns it, they do it to make MONEY. The reason you have to earn the bigger bowls is because its bigger money.

And if we could get invited I would not care what bowl it is. Did our team "earn" it? who are you to determine that? I would like the extra practice and exposure it would give (likely help on keeping those star recruits). Also, while the seniors have not exactly wowed me this year, I would like them to have a bowl just for having to have endured Kiffin/Dooley coaching that may have destroyed any chances they had to become great.
 
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I think a couple of years ago if I am correct there was a major FBS school who applied for a bowl with a subpar record and was allowed in. I want to say it was UCLA, but I am probably wrong...I do know it was a major school though.
 
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#68
It is possible for a 5 win team to go bowling, dumb but possible.


NCAA.org


if a bowl has one or more conferences/teams unable to meet their contractual commitments and there are no available bowl-eligible teams, the open spots can be filled – by the bowl sponsoring agencies – as follows:

First pool: Teams that finish 6-6 but would not normally be bowl eligible because they have a win against a Football Championship Subdivison team.

Second pool: A team that has a 6-6 record but beat two FCS teams.

Third pool: A team that finished with a 6-7 record, with the seventh loss being in a conference championship game.

Fourth pool: A team that played 13 games but finished with a 6-7 record.

Fifth pool: A team in the process of reclassifying to FBS football and has at least a 6-6 record.

Sixth pool: Any top 5 APR team with a 5-7 record.

A bowl will be allowed to use the extra pools of teams only one time over a four-year period. The special provision ends after four years in order to encourage bowls and institutions/conferences to avoid over commitment. Currently, 35 bowls are available for Football Bowl Subdivision teams.
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No team under 8 wins should be eligible for a bowl

This is like giving trophies for last place

Bowl games are even more meaningless with all the half- ass teams getting in to start with, now your asking if a 5-7 team has a chance

WTF?
 
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rockymountainvol said:
I think a couple of years ago if I am correct there was a major FBS school who applied for a bowl with a subpar record and was allowed in. I want to say it was UCLA, but I am probably wrong...I do know it was a major school though.
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UCLA was allowed because they obtained a losing record due to playing and losing in the Pac 10 Championship game
 
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rockymountainvol said:
I think a couple of years ago if I am correct there was a major FBS school who applied for a bowl with a subpar record and was allowed in. I want to say it was UCLA, but I am probably wrong...I do know it was a major school though.
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They were allowed to be bowl eligible because their conference championship game bought them down to 6-7.
 
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Sounds like if it comes down to rules, we are out.

If it comes down to $$$, we might be in! JMO



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Not to flame, but I am curious:

If UT were to get a bowl invite, would anyone on here really be thrilled about traveling to Birmingham a couple of days after New Year's to watch a 5-7 team take on Pittsburg? Or Shreveport a couple of days before New Year's? Would anyone really dedicate the money to do that? Just curious...
 
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CountVolcula said:
No team under 8 wins should be eligible for a bowl

This is like giving trophies for last place

Bowl games are even more meaningless with all the half- ass teams getting in to start with, now your asking if a 5-7 team has a chance

WTF?
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They're exhibition games. Whats so magical about 6 or 7 or 8 wins? There are so many bowls because they make money. They're like early season basketball tournaments but in reverse.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not to flame, but I am curious:

If UT were to get a bowl invite, would anyone on here really be thrilled about traveling to Birmingham a couple of days after New Year's to watch a 5-7 team take on Pittsburg? Or Shreveport a couple of days before New Year's? Would anyone really dedicate the money to do that? Just curious...
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I'd make the trip to Birmingham.
 
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