Could an Obama presidency hurt black Americans?

#52
#52
Fine Vol said:
If you show any Nazi belief in Germany now you can get in BIG trouble!
I bet America still has more racist over blacks than Germany over Jewish.
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Maybe, but only because of the huge difference in the populations of the two countries. If you were to say Europe has less hatred toward Jews than America has toward African Americans you would be dead wrong. There are bombings of Jewish temples and assaults on Jews on a weekly basis in Europe. The Jews are by far the most hated group in the world, and it's not even close.
 
#53
#53
Fine Vol said:
If you show any Nazi belief in Germany now you can get in BIG trouble!
I bet America still has more racist over blacks than Germany over Jewish.
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There are neo nazi groups all over that country!
 
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#54
KB5252 said:
Maybe, but only because of the huge difference in the populations of the two countries. If you were to say Europe has less hatred toward Jews than America has toward African Americans you would be dead wrong. There are bombings of Jewish temples and assaults on Jews on a weekly basis in Europe. The Jews are by far the most hated group in the world, and it's not even close.
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I concur............ the two are uncomparable.
 
#57
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Fine Vol said:
Not in the OPEN!
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They walk the streets with shaven heads and display their allegiances quite openly there. There is a large group that looks down on them but they are quite open with their beliefs.
 
#58
#58
KB5252 said:
Maybe, but only because of the huge difference in the populations of the two countries. If you were to say Europe has less hatred toward Jews than America has toward African Americans you would be dead wrong. There are bombings of Jewish temples and assaults on Jews on a weekly basis in Europe. The Jews are by far the most hated group in the world, and it's not even close.
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clearly you missed Iran saying they wanted to wipe Africa off the map.
 
#61
#61
utvolpj said:
clearly you missed Iran saying they wanted to wipe Africa off the map.
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Like the left wing media I did not use that in my talking points because it flew in the face of the point I was trying to make!:p
 
#66
#66
TennNC said:
Yes - if he's assassinated.

Otherwise, I'm going to bet that this would be a good thing for black Americans.
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Why? What is it going to do for them on a personal level? Are there not black mayors in our large cities? Have these inspired the black masses in those cities to stomp out their problems?
 
#68
#68
TennNC said:
Yes - if he's assassinated.

Otherwise, I'm going to bet that this would be a good thing for black Americans.
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There is a deeper question that i touched on earlier in this thread. If Obama continues his "personal responsibility" (fathers being there for children) theme then he will most certainly outrage those that feed off the America has made me______ crowd. If he backs off this coarse he is simply ignoring what is at the root of most of the problems in the black community. It looks like a no win situation for him there. What do you think?
 
#69
#69
KB5252 said:
There is a deeper question that i touched on earlier in this thread. If Obama continues his "personal responsibility" (fathers being there for children) theme then he will most certainly outrage those that feed off the America has made me______ crowd. If he backs off this coarse he is simply ignoring what is at the root of most of the problems in the black community. It looks like a no win situation for him there. What do you think?
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How have his numbers among blacks changed since Jesse Jackson "exposed" him for calling on blacks to be responsible?
 
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allvol123 said:
Why? What is it going to do for them on a personal level? Are there not black mayors in our large cities? Have these inspired the black masses in those cities to stomp out their problems?
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Are you saying a mayor has the same impact as the leader of the free world?
 
#72
#72
TennNC said:
Are you saying a mayor has the same impact as the leader of the free world?
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No, an individual is much more likely to make contact and interact with their mayor than the POTUS. Surely you can see the signifigance of being the first black mayor of DC, LA, ATL, Chicago...etc....this lifted the black communities how so? Do we have data?
 
#73
#73
BigPapaVol said:
they certainly have an equal impact at the levels you're talking about.
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Come on.

If an 8-yr-old black kid opens his US History textbook, is Andrew Young in there? Bill Bell? No, but George Washington through George W. Bush are.

And exactly how long have there been black mayors of sizable cities? Maybe since the early 70s? How old is our country? Implying that "blacks have had their chance" is silly.
 
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#74
allvol123 said:
No, an individual is much more likely to make contact and interact with their mayor than the POTUS. Surely you can see the signifigance of being the first black mayor of DC, LA, ATL, Chicago...etc....this lifted the black communities how so? Do we have data?
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So, Jackie Robinson making it to the bigs was not a big deal really, because after all, black people had more interaction with black heroes in the negro leagues.

Dennis Green. Frank Robinson. John Thompson. These guys didn't open many doors, did they? I mean, all the black HS and rec league coaches are the only ones who really influence young black kids, right?
 
#75
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TennNC said:
Come on.

If an 8-yr-old black kid opens his US History textbook, is Andrew Young in there? Bill Bell? No, but George Washington through George W. Bush are.

And exactly how long have there been black mayors of sizable cities? Maybe since the early 70s? How old is our country? Implying that "blacks have had their chance" is silly.
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The guys in the history books make 0 discernable impact in the cities you're discussing. Mayors have much larger impacts on lives in those towns that a particular president might have.

I don't think anyone is saying blacks have had their chance, so let's move on, as you're trying to point out.
 
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