Could an Obama presidency hurt black Americans?

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TennNC said:
So, Jackie Robinson making it to the bigs was not a big deal really, because after all, black people had more interaction with black heroes in the negro leagues.

Dennis Green. Frank Robinson. John Thompson. These guys didn't open many doors, did they? I mean, all the black HS and rec league coaches are the only ones who really influence young black kids, right?
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Sure, Jackie Robinson made an impact, but I wouldn't have voted for him, or any of the others to be the president of the US, unless they were qualified to do so.
 
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TennNC said:
So, Jackie Robinson making it to the bigs was not a big deal really, because after all, black people had more interaction with black heroes in the negro leagues.

Dennis Green. Frank Robinson. John Thompson. These guys didn't open many doors, did they? I mean, all the black HS and rec league coaches are the only ones who really influence young black kids, right?
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None of these guys had to become the commisioner of their sport to inspire their followers. Which is what you are saying. The mayors are elected officals and prominent people. If that did not lift black americans or whatever we are talking about, what is Obama becoming POTUS going to do for them?
 
#79
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OrangeEmpire said:
Could an Obama presidency hurt black Americans? - CNN.com



Thoughts?
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I brought this up a few weeks ago.

http://www.volnation.com/forum/politics/49689-black-national-anthem.html#post1449373

Rasputin_Vol said:
This November if Obama is elected. If he wins, whenever Jesse and Al complain about something, a white man can always comeback and say, "But the president is black..."

Watch and see... these guys don't know it, but the sympathy train is gonna come to end. How can you lay a guilt trip on a white man and talk about black people not getting a fair shake if you have a black president?
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BigPapaVol said:
The guys in the history books make 0 discernable impact in the cities you're discussing. Mayors have much larger impacts on lives in those towns that a particular president might have.
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wow.

just wow.

what does this have to do with anything??????

the question was whether an Obama presidency would be bad for blacks. Do you think it would be bad for blacks? If you were black, are you thinking to yourself, "Oh please, don't let him get elected, because I might actually have a role model who shows that people who look like I do can actually achieve anything - even the highest position in the world" - that what you're thinking?
 
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TennNC said:
Come on.

If an 8-yr-old black kid opens his US History textbook, is Andrew Young in there? Bill Bell? No, but George Washington through George W. Bush are.

And exactly how long have there been black mayors of sizable cities? Maybe since the early 70s? How old is our country? Implying that "blacks have had their chance" is silly.
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This was the question, if you'll recall.
 
#82
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TennNC said:
wow.

just wow.

what does this have to do with anything??????

the question was whether an Obama presidency would be bad for blacks. Do you think it would be bad for blacks? If you were black, are you thinking to yourself, "Oh please, don't let him get elected, because I might actually have a role model who shows that people who look like I do can actually achieve anything - even the highest position in the world" - that what you're thinking?
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Is that what YOU'RE thinking?

"Will Obama's election hurt BLACK Americans?" No. Absolutely not. 1st off, some black folks, like the college athletes you watch every Saturday, or the ones in college period, or the ones driving nice cars with the jobs that make $100,000s a year, or the ones who own their own business, or have a great government job, etc. will not be affected at all. So the question about BLACK people being affected, why would it? Just because there are some black folks who bring up the past, doesn't mean EVERY black person brings up the past. Or would vote against Obama so they will have something to complain about. Not every black person is in the bricks living off the government.

And who gives a damn about what Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton has to say. They do not represent folks like me, they represent themselves. All they care about is jumping on TV and yelling "RACE!!" They are the exact reason that some white folks look at black folks as complaining all the time. I am not the "typical whining black man" get that through your head. There are many like me who are over all the BS and ready to move foward the way God wants us to.

But I will say this, racism DOES exist. And if you object to that then you are in denial. So yes I still stand up for my people when it is necessary, any white man would do the same.

I was in Louisiana when Jena 6 happened and you would be amazed how many white people showed up to show support. Just stop putting black people as a category, not all of us bring up the past
 
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VolsByNature said:
Is that what YOU'RE thinking?

"Will Obama's election hurt BLACK Americans?" No. Absolutely not. 1st off, some black folks, like the college athletes you watch every Saturday, or the ones in college period, or the ones driving nice cars with the jobs that make $100,000s a year, or the ones who own their own business, or have a great government job, etc. will not be affected at all. So the question about BLACK people being affected, why would it? Just because there are some black folks who bring up the past, doesn't mean EVERY black person brings up the past. Or would vote against Obama so they will have something to complain about. Not every black person is in the bricks living off the government.

And who gives a damn about what Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton has to say. They do not represent folks like me, they represent themselves. All they care about is jumping on TV and yelling "RACE!!" They are the exact reason that some white folks look at black folks as complaining all the time. I am not the "typical whining black man" get that through your head. There are many like me who are over all the BS and ready to move foward the way God wants us to.

But I will say this, racism DOES exist. And if you object to that then you are in denial. So yes I still stand up for my people when it is necessary, any white man would do the same.

I was in Louisiana when Jena 6 happened and you would be amazed how many white people showed up to show support. Just stop putting black people as a category, not all of us bring up the past
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Amen!
 
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TennNC, sorry if I seemed to target you. Jumped the gun a bit, just wanted to get it off my chest. We're Good :thumbsup:
 
#85
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VolsByNature said:
Is that what YOU'RE thinking?

"Will Obama's election hurt BLACK Americans?" No. Absolutely not. 1st off, some black folks, like the college athletes you watch every Saturday, or the ones in college period, or the ones driving nice cars with the jobs that make $100,000s a year, or the ones who own their own business, or have a great government job, etc. will not be affected at all. So the question about BLACK people being affected, why would it? Just because there are some black folks who bring up the past, doesn't mean EVERY black person brings up the past. Or would vote against Obama so they will have something to complain about. Not every black person is in the bricks living off the government.

And who gives a damn about what Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton has to say. They do not represent folks like me, they represent themselves. All they care about is jumping on TV and yelling "RACE!!" They are the exact reason that some white folks look at black folks as complaining all the time. I am not the "typical whining black man" get that through your head. There are many like me who are over all the BS and ready to move foward the way God wants us to.

But I will say this, racism DOES exist. And if you object to that then you are in denial. So yes I still stand up for my people when it is necessary, any white man would do the same.

I was in Louisiana when Jena 6 happened and you would be amazed how many white people showed up to show support. Just stop putting black people as a category, not all of us bring up the past
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Great post. I wish more kids (black, white, what have you) would look to men like yourself as inspirations, not rap or recording stars and athletes because while there are some good decent artist and athletes out there many are not the kind of people we want our kids to be like.
 
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KB5252 said:
Great post. I wish more kids (black, white, what have you) would look to men like yourself as inspirations, not rap or recording stars and athletes because while there are some good decent artist and athletes out there many are not the kind of people we want our kids to be like.
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Thank you. I will say there are some rap artist and athletes who I've looked up to, and still do. But there are PLENTY of those guys I, like you said, wouldn't want my kids to look up to.
 
#87
#87
No...him becoming president would not hurt black americans.

On the same note, it would not be the end all be all of the problems that face the community. As far as feeling burdened by slavery and such.... It's been about 40 years since black people could go out in public and be reasonably comfortable that they would not be unfairly hassled because of the color of their skin.

40 years isn't very long. Like it or not society will have to deal with the growing pains of the black community. Just growing pains considering the crimes of that era. Things are getting better but the men and women who lived during the Jim Crow era are still alive. .....that kind of hurt and general distrust of another race doesn't wash out with the laundry.
 
#88
#88
so, to ask the question a different way, would a McCain victory be bad for black Americans?
 
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MG1968 said:
when was the last time water cannons were used against a civil rights protest?

the politics of grievance is a failing, dying strategy, Jesse Jackson is proof of that.
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There was a white girl killed in Boston I think during some kind of crowd control incident with some sort of less than lethal instrument (guess it was'nt so less than lethal). Shizzle happens.
 
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