Could be the biggest underachieving team in UT history

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VolFreakJosh said:
A coach with over 700 wins on his resume is not considered “average.”
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If you would have bothered to read my post... he has 724 wins over a 44 year period= 16.4 wins per year. If that's great... the bball HOF must be packed.
Once again... you've totally ignored the length of time he's been a HC.
 
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jeff1vol said:
If you would have bothered to read my post... he has 724 wins over a 44 year period= 16.4 wins per year. If that's great... the bball HOF must be packed.
Once again... you've totally ignored the length of time he's been a HC.
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Math must be hard. This is his 34th year, so 33 complete seasons. 1 at GM, 6 at Providence, 4 at Clemson, 17 at Texas, 6th currently at UT.

He hit 700 early this year, so I will choose 695. 695/33= 21 wins per year. Pre-2000’s, most teams played less games, and there are a number of years he only played 29/30 total.

He’s only the 23rd D1 coach EVER to win 700. People are trying too hard to be this dumb.
 
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jeff1vol said:
If you would have bothered to read my post... he has 724 wins over a 44 year period= 16.4 wins per year. If that's great... the bball HOF must be packed.
Once again... you've totally ignored the length of time he's been a HC.
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You are gonn get destroyed on here but you are right.

He is an average coach and his record proves it.

Wins is not the measuring stick. Winning ratio and titles is the measuring stick. His average wins per season and all time final 4s and championships is very average.

He will never be an elite coach. He will be the same guy he was at texas. We will never be bad not great. We will peak in the sweet 16 and maybe occasionally get to the elite 8. It's just who he is.
 
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NEO said:
You are gonn get destroyed on here but you are right.

He is an average coach and his record proves it.

Wins is not the measuring stick. Winning ratio and titles is the measuring stick. His average wins per season and all time final 4s and championships is very average.

He will never be an elite coach. He will be the same guy he was at texas. We will never be bad not great. We will peak in the sweet 16 and maybe occasionally get to the elite 8. It's just who he is.
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He’s flat out wrong. If you want to agree with someone who totally screwed up the math.
 
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NEO said:
What has the coach won tourney time?
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The numbers are the numbers, and he was totally wrong. I can’t help people who don’t do the research. We can argue about his tournament history, but he isn’t average. That’s just false. He has literally done something that only 22 other people have done. That’s not average. Now if you want to compare him to national title coaches, then he’s most likely down the list.
 
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VolGee4 said:
The numbers are the numbers, and he was totally wrong. I can’t help people who don’t do the research. We can argue about his tournament history, but he isn’t average. That’s just false. He has literally done something that only 22 other people have done. That’s not average. Now if you want to compare him to national title coaches, then he’s most likely down the list.
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Let's not even do NC.

How many conference tournies has he won?

How many elite 8 or final 4s?

Most importantly, how many times has he been the better seed and lost to a worse seed?

He is average. Any elite coach beats him tourney time when it matters. He may be king of the regular season but he chokes in the tournament time.
 
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NEO said:
Let's not even do NC.

How many conference tournies has he won?

How many elite 8 or final 4s?

Most importantly, how many times has he been the better seed and lost to a worse seed?

He is average. Any elite coach beats him tourney time when it matters. He may be king of the regular season but he chokes in the tournament time.
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Let's say u are right, so what do u wanna do about it, fire him ?
 
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NEO said:
Let's not even do NC.

How many conference tournies has he won?

How many elite 8 or final 4s?

Most importantly, how many times has he been the better seed and lost to a worse seed?

He is average. Any elite coach beats him tourney time when it matters. He may be king of the regular season but he chokes in the tournament time.
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If Barnes is considered average then I’d hate to see who you think would be a great replacement for him that’s “elite.”

You’re way out of reality.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Barnes has spent his career in 3 conferences with 4 blue bloods. Any conference championships are huge successes.
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I would say 6 Blue Bloods, because when he was at Providence, Syracuse and Georgetown would have been considered, at that time, BBs, imo
 
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07-08 and 18-19 were special seasons. I don’t know which team I like more, as both featured blue collar developed players and different styles of play, but both elite offensively.

Lofton is my all time favorite BasketVol, and I’d give the slight edge to the 07-08 team, but I think the 18-19 team had better chemistry and played better together.
 
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The Dog said:
I would say 6 Blue Bloods, because when he was at Providence, Syracuse and Georgetown would have been considered, at that time, BBs, imo
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He won a Big East Tournament championship at freaking PROVIDENCE when the BE was as good as any conference in the country.
 
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I was hoping at this point that Pember and Plavsic would play a few more meaningful SEC minutes to give Tennessee a couple more interior options to go with Nkamhoua and give Fulkerson some rest. Anosike seems to have fallen out of the rotation.
 
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ZZ13 said:
I’m not sure Fulky has regressed. He may have just had one of those magical out of body years last year that an average player has once in a career. It’s happened over and over during my lifetime.
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You’ve had magical out of body years over and over during your lifetime?! Geeze...I thought I was doing well to have a magical out of body night once every month or so.
 
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Volfan1000 said:
I was hoping at this point that Pember and Plavsic would play a few more meaningful SEC minutes to give Tennessee a couple more interior options to go with Nkamhoua and give Fulkerson some rest. Anosike seems to have fallen out of the rotation.
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I’m feeling Pember and Plavsic may wanna look elsewhere if they ever want significant minutes.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Exactly. When he plays the tougher teams, his record is barely. 500. Not exactly HOF worthy. Like I said, he's an average coach that will give us average results. And that's fine with most Vol fans.
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I'd be interested to see the February resumes of some other SEC, ACC, Big 10, and Big 12 coaches over the past 4 years. Let's put your theory to the test. I just don't understand what is hard to comprehend about the idea that we are more probe to lose games as the competition stiffens. That seems like common sense, and not an issue that is exclusive to Rick Barnes, regardless of how you feel about him. It would seem like that statistical trend would transcend all of major college basketball with few exceptions.

So again, I'll ask, what's your point?
 
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VolGee4 said:
The numbers are the numbers, and he was totally wrong. I can’t help people who don’t do the research. We can argue about his tournament history, but he isn’t average. That’s just false. He has literally done something that only 22 other people have done. That’s not average. Now if you want to compare him to national title coaches, then he’s most likely down the list.
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Not sure how to even advise you on dealing with people who are completely fine with doubling down on being wrong. Keep fightin the good fight.
 
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