Could we be headed for global chaos? Significant fuel shortages? Severe food shortages?

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LouderVol said:
So we are accepting the no compromise stance now?
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In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit.​
Ayn Rand
 
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AshG said:
I keep telling my wife that we need a large chest freezer. I need to plant a garden this summer, too.
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If you plant within the next week or so you can still get full yield. Need to hurry though. Plant squash and fresh tomatoes every 3 weeks or so up through July so you can have fresh crops rolling in until frost. Same for carrots.
 
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Allvol, i think we paid either paid high 2$ or low 3$'s to buy and have it processed. that's still better than what you can buy it for at the grocery store. If you can find someone to share a whole beef with, it's not bad at all, price wise.
 
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allvol123 said:
All started here.

If you approved, participated, etc. in this, give yourself a pat on the back.

One of the dumbest decisions in human history.
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The economy had already largely shut down before the government-mandated shutdowns, as asinine and illogical as they were. OpenTable reservations in a variety of major metros, for example, were already down 90-95% in early March before anything had been forcibly closed. People were freaking out and conducting only essential economic activity, shutdowns or not, in March/April 2020.

IMO, the longer-lasting impacts in terms of supply chain issues and labor shortages were principally caused by 1) the stimmies/extended unemployment (that has since run out as well, but continued for months and months after the economy had largely reopened) and 2) remote work/a much higher desire for jobs that offer flexibility.
 
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05_never_again said:
The economy had already largely shut down before the government-mandated shutdowns, as asinine and illogical as they were. OpenTable reservations in a variety of major metros, for example, were already down 90-95% in early March before anything had been forcibly closed. People were freaking out and conducting only essential economic activity, shutdowns or not, in March/April 2020.

IMO, the longer-lasting impacts in terms of supply chain issues and labor shortages were principally caused by 1) the stimmies/extended unemployment (that has since run out as well, but continued for months and months after the economy had largely reopened) and 2) remote work/a much higher desire for jobs that offer flexibility.
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Of course behavior would have changed. Government didn’t need to decide which behavior should change and by how much.
 
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allvol123 said:
Of course behavior would have changed. Government didn’t need to decide which behavior should change and by how much.
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That isn't really my point...the point is that behavior had changed, and a shutdown order was more a reflection of reality than preventing all of this economic activity that would have otherwise occurred. Governments could have left everything open and the economic activity in the country and March and April 2020 would have probably been the same.

A component of the supply chain issues, labor shortages, and inflation we've seen over the last year plus or so is definitely government and central bank-driven.
 
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05_never_again said:
That isn't really my point...the point is that behavior had changed, and a shutdown order was more a reflection of reality than preventing all of this economic activity that would have otherwise occurred. Governments could have left everything open and the economic activity in the country and March and April 2020 would have probably been the same.

A component of the supply chain issues, labor shortages, and inflation we've seen over the last year plus or so is definitely government and central bank-driven.
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Dining had changed. Factory production really hadn’t, not until our government and others all over the world decided to set the idiotic tone and mandates.
 
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allvol123 said:
Dining had changed. Factory production really hadn’t, not until our government and others all over the world decided to set the idiotic tone and mandates.
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Just this week a popular place downtown (Knox Mason) announced it is shutting down due to not being able to recover during the pandemic.
 
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The company I work for put a huge provision in the budget for unpredictable energy and logistics costs. We've also been hit by part shortages, line shutdowns and production delays. This leads to cost increases, less supply and higher prices to the consumer.
 
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allvol123 said:
Dining had changed. Factory production really hadn’t, not until our government and others all over the world decided to set the idiotic tone and mandates.
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Lot of the factory capacity being shut down was a company decision. VW shut down production here locally for 6 weeks (until mid-May) and it was purely a company decision.
 
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allvol123 said:
I believe the “non-essential” ones were told to shut down.
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...and a lot of the areas where we are seeing supply chain issues and price increases (e.g., food) were always considered "essential." If they shut down (and many did), it was a company decision.

The 3-week shutdowns from March 2020 are not why, for example, gas prices are high in June 2022.
 
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05_never_again said:
...and a lot of the areas where we are seeing supply chain issues and price increases (e.g., food) were always considered "essential." If they shut down (and many did), it was a company decision.

The 3-week shutdowns from March 2020 are not why, for example, gas prices are high in June 2022.
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I see price increases everywhere. There isn’t an industry I buy from that hasn’t had one. And while fuel drives some component for each of them, most are due to not being able to produce while demand was still transpiring.

One component of gas prices being higher is the fact that millions of people around the world stopped moving. All those cars, trucks, factories, etc are temporary storage tanks for fuel. Once demand shrank there was no where to put the flow from the spout. So the spout was turned down. I have witnessed months long shutdowns and pull backs from factories, not 3 weeks.
 
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allvol123 said:
I see price increases everywhere. There isn’t an industry I buy from that hasn’t had one. And while fuel drives some component for each of them, most are due to not being able to produce while demand was still transpiring.

One component of gas prices being higher is the fact that millions of people around the world stopped moving. All those cars, trucks, factories, etc are temporary storage tanks for fuel. Once demand shrank there was no where to put the flow from the spout. So the spout was turned down. I have witnessed months long shutdowns and pull backs from factories, not 3 weeks.
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Several trillion of government and central bank stimulus (both of which continued far too long and should have begun being wound down in early 2021), combined with supply issues, will do that. The Federal Reserve's impact on housing prices has been particularly acute.
 
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allvol123 said:
I am actually looking to purchase a quarter beef if anyone in the Knoxville area is into that type of business….
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AshG said:
I keep telling my wife that we need a large chest freezer. I need to plant a garden this summer, too.
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Make sure you have a working generator to protect it.
 
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