Countdown to Northam Resignation

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luthervol said:
nope
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He literally said the infant would be delivered and kept comfortable and then a conversation about what to do will take place between the doctor and mother.

How do you interpret that? To me it very much sounds like “after the kid is born, we will let the mom decide if she wants us to murder it”
 
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luthervol said:
lol....he clearly said SEVERE DEFORMITIES or NON-VIABLE...with the consent of the mother, and multiple doctors.

You guys are absolutely nuts with your distortions and propaganda.
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What does he mean by the kid will be delivered and kept comfortable while a conversation takes place?
 
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Vol8188 said:
What does he mean by the kid will be delivered and kept comfortable while a conversation takes place?
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That the non-viable or severely deformed baby may be born with a heartbeat and they will give it as much comfort as possible. We are talking about a one in a billion scenario.

The way you guys distort and exaggerate this point is frightening. It makes all your other claims and positions more suspect.
 
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luthervol said:
That the non-viable or severely deformed baby may be born with a heartbeat and they will give it as much comfort as possible. We are talking about a one in a billion scenario.

The way you guys distort and exaggerate this point is frightening. It makes all your other claims and positions more suspect.
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How is that not murder? You’re killing a child after it’s born
 
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luthervol said:
No one supports the murder of newborn babies.
That is 100% right wing propaganda and anyone who is gullible enough to believe it should be embarrassed and ashamed.
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luthervol said:
That the non-viable or severely deformed baby may be born with a heartbeat and they will give it as much comfort as possible. We are talking about a one in a billion scenario.

The way you guys distort and exaggerate this point is frightening. It makes all your other claims and positions more suspect.
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I want to make sure I’m understanding you. You and Northam both do support the murder of newborn babies, as long as it’s only 1 in a billion?

If I’m missing something. Please clarify.
 
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Vol8188 said:
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thank you, i appreciate it.
In context Northam is talking about babies who are born with defects and are non viable. That portion of his statement immediately preceded his statement about making them comfortable or resusitating them. I think this is a case of northam not being clear enough, as to what he is talking about, viable baby vs non viable baby.

I am antiabortion And huge on personal responsibility. So i don't agree with the legislation, i think in this case northam tripped himself up by not qualifying his statement clearly.
 
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Vol8188 said:
I want to make sure I’m understanding you. You and Northam both do support the murder of newborn babies, as long as it’s only 1 in a billion?

If I’m missing something. Please clarify.
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Do you understand the term non-viable? It certainly doesn't appear as if you do.
I have been in on the conversation about when to remove someone from life support twice now. It's gut wrenching. When we finally decided to remove life support, I do not feel as if we were condoning the murder of our loved one......that is astonishingly asinine.
Here's a scenario for you...."we can put the baby on life support, he will never be normal, he will never have brain activity, it will cost $25k a day, and a best case scenario is that he may live 3 months. We can not tell you for sure if he is feeling pain, but if so, it would be excruciating." And let's throw in the fact that the couple has no life insurance and would have to sell there house to just pay for day one.
 
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luthervol said:
Do you understand the term non-viable? It certainly doesn't appear as if you do.
I have been in on the conversation about when to remove someone from life support twice now. It's gut wrenching. When we finally decided to remove life support, I do not feel as if we were condoning the murder of our loved one......that is astonishingly asinine.
Here's a scenario for you...."we can put the baby on life support, he will never be normal, he will never have brain activity, it will cost $25k a day, and a best case scenario is that he may live 3 months. We can not tell you for sure if he is feeling pain, but if so, it would be excruciating." And let's throw in the fact that the couple has no life insurance and would have to sell there house to just pay for day one.
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FTR you stated we were talking about both non viable and severely deformed. That’s what you stated earlier.

So I want to make sure I’m understanding you. You believe it’s acceptbale to kill a child due to deformality?
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
thank you, i appreciate it.
In context Northam is talking about babies who are born with defects and are non viable. That portion of his statement immediately preceded his statement about making them comfortable or resusitating them. I think this is a case of northam not being clear enough, as to what he is talking about, viable baby vs non viable baby.

I am antiabortion And huge on personal responsibility. So i don't agree with the legislation, i think in this case northam tripped himself up by not qualifying his statement clearly.
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He’s not only talking about non viable. He also specifically mentions severely deformed.

He’s still talking about killing a child after it’s born. And he’s still using the term “abortion” for this. The whole thing is disgusting
 
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Vol8188 said:
FTR you stated we were talking about both non viable and severely deformed. That’s what you stated earlier.

So I want to make sure I’m understanding you. You believe it’s acceptbale to kill a child due to deformality?
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Healthcare is not a right. When society determines that it is, then you can help with the lifelong healthcare of the child. You would actually get more support against this if that was the case. But as is, you have a bunch of christians that say life is precious until birth then the burden is solely on the mother. News flash, nobody has a say except the mother. If she decides she can't afford the medical costs to keep it alive, it's her choice.
 
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Mick said:
Healthcare is not a right. When society determines that it is, then you can help with the lifelong healthcare of the child. You would actually get more support against this if that was the case. But as is, you have a bunch of christians that say life is precious until birth then the burden is solely on the mother. News flash, nobody has a say except the mother. If she decides she can't afford the medical costs to keep it alive, it's her choice.
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There’s countless charities out there. But this stance of yours only hurts your cause. When you openly support murdering new borns because of their cost, it makes us all realize why we want autonomy over our healthcare. Instead of allowing the government to do what is most cost effective.

And just for clarification: you support killing new borns if they’re health care cost are extreme?
 
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Vol8188 said:
There’s countless charities out there. But this stance of yours only hurts your cause. When you openly support murdering new borns because of their cost, it makes us all realize why we want autonomy over our healthcare. Instead of allowing the government to do what is most cost effective.

And just for clarification: you support killing new borns if they’re health care cost are extreme?
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It's not my choice and I don't have a say in it. You would be best to recognize that.
 
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Vol8188 said:
FTR you stated we were talking about both non viable and severely deformed. That’s what you stated earlier.

So I want to make sure I’m understanding you. You believe it’s acceptbale to kill a child due to deformality?
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If the baby can survive with no medical intervention, then it should survive. If it is in constant and excruciating pain with no potential of improvement, it's a gut wrenching situation, as a parent, I would want what is best.
That's an issue where early detection would have been a godsend.
 
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Vol8188 said:
He’s not only talking about non viable. He also specifically mentions severely deformed.

He’s still talking about killing a child after it’s born. And he’s still using the term “abortion” for this. The whole thing is disgusting
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I agree the legislation is horrible. I believe babies should be born and we deal with whatever may come after. Before birth An abortion at whatever stage the baby is in is murder. There are defects and deformities that can be fixed so the baby can have a normal life, others, no matter what intervention is done, will end the babies life. At that point we should let nature take its course.
 
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Mick said:
It's not my choice and I don't have a say in it. You would be best to recognize that.
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That’s an odd way to look at it. Do you feel the same about killing toddlers? What about your spouse?

If I murdered my spouse would you say “well, it’s not my choice and I don’t have a say in it”
 
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luthervol said:
If the baby can survive with no medical intervention, then it should survive. If it is in constant and excruciating pain with no potential of improvement, it's a gut wrenching situation, as a parent, I would want what is best.
That's an issue where early detection would have been a godsend.
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So once again, you agree with killing a new born if it’s deformed and in a lot of pain?
 
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Vol8188 said:
That’s an odd way to look at it. Do you feel the same about killing toddlers? What about your spouse?

If I murdered my spouse would you say “well, it’s not my choice and I don’t have a say in it”
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If you murdered your spouse I would definitely seek the death penalty. See how you're conflating this?
 
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volfanjustin said:
and still no resignations, I wonder why
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I wish he would resign and state "even though my transgressions do not amount to 1/100th of Trump's, I realize that because of my inexcusable past actions I have lost the trust and support of the majority of the people I represent. The biggest positive that could come out of this is that Trump see and realize that the best course of action, for the sake of the country, would be for him to also immediately resign."
 
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luthervol said:
I wish he would resign and state "even though my transgressions do not amount to 1/100th of Trump's, I realize that because of my inexcusable past actions I have lost the trust and support of the majority of the people I represent. The biggest positive that could come out of this is that Trump see and realize that the best course of action, for the sake of the country, would be for him to also immediately resign."
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haha what the hell does this have to do with Trump other than you are so obsessed with the man? You need help. Your favorite governor isn't the only one in that state with issues, so have any of them resigned?
 
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