Countdown to Northam Resignation

[luthervol]

Why is that society’s concern but murdering a new born isn’t?

Why does only one concern you?

You never addressed the scenario I presented earlier. Anxious to hear.
Here is another one.
A 3 month old is involved in a car accident. The baby is brain dead and paralyzed and all medical opinion is that he will never be able to live without life support. Should the parents (and doctors) have the right to make the decision to remove the infant from life support? If so, is that murder?

 

[Vol8188]

CAN YOU READ????????
I just said it should be allowed to survive.

That’s not exactly what you said. You said if it can survive without medical intervention

CAN YOU READ????????
I just said it should be allowed to survive.

CAN YOU READ????????
I just said it should be allowed to survive.

But only if it requires 0 medical attention. Let’s not pretend you said that without a disclaimer. So it’s fair to assume if the child requires any medical assistance, then you 100% support killing a new born.

 

[luthervol]

haha what the hell does this have to do with Trump other than you are so obsessed with the man? You need help. Your favorite governor isn't the only one in that state with issues, so have any of them resigned?

There transgressions combined do not come close to Trumps.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

haha what the hell does this have to do with Trump other than you are so obsessed with the man? You need help. Your favorite governor isn't the only one in that state with issues, so have any of them resigned?

We still have all 3 last i checked. Gov, lt gov and AG.

 

[Vol8188]

You never addressed the scenario I presented earlier. Anxious to hear.
Here is another one.
A 3 month old is involved in a car accident. The baby is brain dead and paralyzed and all medical opinion is that he will never be able to live without life support. Should the parents (and doctors) have the right to make the decision to remove the infant from life support? If so, is that murder?

If we were only talking about brain dead babies, your example would be valid.

 

[luthervol]

That’s not exactly what you said. You said if it can survive without medical intervention



But only if it requires 0 medical attention. Let’s not pretend you said that without a disclaimer. So it’s fair to assume if the child requires any medical assistance, then you 100% support killing a new born.

lol........you guys are simpleminded.
I believe a parent and doctors have the right to make decisions on those issues.

 

[Mick]

Why is that society’s concern but murdering a new born isn’t?

Why does only one concern you?

One is a lifelong healthcare issue and the other is a civilized society issue.

 

[luthervol]

Do you understand the term non-viable? It certainly doesn't appear as if you do.
I have been in on the conversation about when to remove someone from life support twice now. It's gut wrenching. When we finally decided to remove life support, I do not feel as if we were condoning the murder of our loved one......that is astonishingly asinine.
Here's a scenario for you...."we can put the baby on life support, he will never be normal, he will never have brain activity, it will cost $25k a day, and a best case scenario is that he may live 3 months. We can not tell you for sure if he is feeling pain, but if so, it would be excruciating." And let's throw in the fact that the couple has no life insurance and would have to sell there house to just pay for day one.

You never addressed the scenario I presented earlier. Anxious to hear.
Here is another one.
A 3 month old is involved in a car accident. The baby is brain dead and paralyzed and all medical opinion is that he will never be able to live without life support. Should the parents (and doctors) have the right to make the decision to remove the infant from life support? If so, is that murder?

That’s not exactly what you said. You said if it can survive without medical intervention



But only if it requires 0 medical attention. Let’s not pretend you said that without a disclaimer. So it’s fair to assume if the child requires any medical assistance, then you 100% support killing a new born.

Feel free to address the two scenarios.

 

[Vol8188]

lol........you guys are simpleminded.
I believe a parent and doctors have the right to make decisions on those issues.

It’s not about being simple minded. It’s about trying to clarify what you’re saying. If you spent less time hurling insults, you could probably spend more time trying to be clear in what you’re saying.

So let’s clarify again:

Are you saying any child who requires medical intervention to live, that you are alright with them being neglected and allowed to die?

 

[Vol8188]

One is a lifelong healthcare issue and the other is a civilized society issue.

So if my wife is a diabetic and it’s burdening me greatly, then you would support me killing her?

 

[luthervol]

If we were only talking about brain dead babies, your example would be valid.

So you are okay with murdering a brain dead baby but not one that is 99.5% brain dead? See how stupid this game is?

 

[Vol8188]

Feel free to address the two scenarios.

The issue I already pointed out. The governor isn’t saying “we should only do this with brain dead babies”.

 

[Vol8188]

So you are okay with murdering a brain dead baby but not one that is 99.5% brain dead? See how stupid this game is?

Huh? What does 99.5% brain dead even mean? Are you about to justify killing the mentally handicapped?

 

[Mick]

So if my wife is a diabetic and it’s burdening me greatly, then you would support me killing her?

Conflation and what if's makes your defeat complete.

 

[luthervol]

Huh? What does 99.5% brain dead even mean? Are you about to justify killing the mentally handicapped?

I'm trying to get you to understand that there is an undefinable gray line and that with issues that fall in that area, the decisions are best left to those most closely involved, the parents and doctors.

 

[Vol8188]

Conflation and what if's makes your defeat complete.

Not at all. You said one was a lifelong medical issue. Is diabetes not a lifelong medical issue? What’s the difference in the two scenarios?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Conflation and what if's makes your defeat complete.

He's making valid points. You guys used to make the argument for abortions based on body autonomy. Now, you are making the argument for post-birth-abortion based on financial autonomy. @Vol8188 is asking valid questions asking how you rationally make distinctions based on killing living beings based on financial autonomy. You just don't want to rationally defend.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not at all. You said one was a lifelong medical issue. Is diabetes not a lifelong medical issue? What’s the difference in the two scenarios?

Health problems are expensive. Divorce is expensive.

A person's right to live depends on how it affects the financial autonomy of another...

Just sayin'.

 

[evillawyer]

Whomp whomp

 

[InVOLuntary]

haha what the hell does this have to do with Trump other than you are so obsessed with the man? You need help. Your favorite governor isn't the only one in that state with issues, so have any of them resigned?

I keep waiting on those Trump in black face pics. Instead we get pics of him with Al, Jesse, spike, ect..

 

[Obsessed]

Looks like EL had some premature ejaculation

 

[Obsessed]

Luth and Mick are some vile human beings.

 

[volfanjustin]

We still have all 3 last i checked. Gov, lt gov and AG.

You are correct, and still 0 resignations

 

[volfanjustin]

Luth and Mick are some vile human beings.

all democrats are

 

[volfanjustin]

I keep waiting on those Trump in black face pics. Instead we get pics of him with Al, Jesse, spike, ect..

such a racist