Cousins is going to UK

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kiffinator13 said:
Anybody that understands football knows that you can manufacture bowls by playing 3 or 4 D I-AA teams. That's just buying a bowl. And I have heard multiple UK fans that share my view.
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Umm...you can only apply 1 D 1-AA win (actually they're not called that anymore) every other year that can count toward a bowl total.

Got news for you: just about every team does that. The SEC is brutal enough that you don't have to schedule strong OOC to prove your manhood. It's not Kentucky's fault that Louisville sucked last year. They play every year, and 3 years ago the Cards were in a BCS bowl.

Got more news for you: When your team is coming off probation, you schedule light OOC to BUILD your program. IIRC, Kiffin opens the season against Western Kentucky this year. Some powerhouse! That schedule that you were just dissing about Kentucky in 2008? WKU was also on it.

Of course, Tennessee had a hard time eating its cupcakes last year. But that's a different thread altogether.
 
#52
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Brian McCat said:
Umm...you can only apply 1 D 1-AA win (actually they're not called that anymore) every other year that can count toward a bowl total.

Got news for you: just about every team does that. The SEC is brutal enough that you don't have to schedule strong OOC to prove your manhood. It's not Kentucky's fault that Louisville sucked last year. They play every year, and 3 years ago the Cards were in a BCS bowl.

Got more news for you: When your team is coming off probation, you schedule light OOC to BUILD your program. IIRC, Kiffin opens the season against Western Kentucky this year. Some powerhouse! That schedule that you were just dissing about Kentucky in 2008? WKU was also on it.

Of course, Tennessee had a hard time eating its cupcakes last year. But that's a different thread altogether.
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Fortynatel for us, KY again proved to be an easily edible cupcake once again. Otherwise, 4-8 was reality.
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BigPapaVol said:
Fortynatel for us, KY again proved to be an easily edible cupcake once again. Otherwise, 4-8 was reality.
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Man, 4-7 or not, there was no way that UT was gonna lose on Phil Fulmer day at Neyland. Just wasn't gonna happen.

At least Kentucky regularly beats its cupcakes. How'd that Wyoming game turn out for you? :)
 
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I can't believe this argument is going on. What OOC teams has Kentucky played over the last 10 years? What OOC teams do they have coming up?
How many FCS schools do the Cats play per year? How many have they played over the last 10 years?

Everyone in the SEC plays good teams OOC year in and year out, whether or not it's a bad game. A bad Vandy team went to Michigan. Arkansas has played USC. It does happen.
 
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Brian McCat said:
When he arrived at Oregon in 1977 they were an abysmal program. By the time he left, they went to the Rose Bowl and since then have been a top 25 program. Brooks is a turnaround specialist. And yes, I maintain that your boys couldn't do it at UK.
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he didnt' start winning until uncle phil gave the program hundreds of millions. the 10 years before that under brooks oregon was garbage. and it's also no coincidence that the year he went to the rose bowl the pac-10 was complete and utter garbage. probably the worst year in pac-10 history. "my boys" took a 1-10 program to 6 straight bowls with a 5-1 record. something saint brooks couldn't even dream of even though he schedules mcnese state and the 3 other garbage teams per year. merle making a bowl game with that schedule even at kentucky is no accomplishment.
 
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crusse10 said:
I can't believe this argument is going on. What OOC teams have Kentucky played over the last 10 years? What OOC teams do they have coming up?
How many FCS schools do the Cats play per year? How many have they played over the last 10 years?

Everyone in the SEC plays good teams OOC year in and year out, whether or not it's a bad game. A bad Vandy team went to Michigan. Arkansas has played USC. It does happen.
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Admittedly, other than Louisville every year, UK does not play a strong OOC schedule as of late, but again, as I said before, that is by design. You schedule weak ooc when you're trying to build a program. If Vandy or Ark. are stupid enough to burn a potential win on playing USC or Michigan, that's their problem. There is no glory in getting waxed by 50 points on the road to a "big name". It all comes down to- would you prefer your payday in September or in December. Kentucky has chosen to bag a few easy wins in Sept. and go bowling rather than take a payoff (read: take a dive) from a big name.

That being said, in a few years, if UK is able to go 5-3 or 6-2 consistenly in the SEC, then I think it's time to beef up the schedule. Playing in a bowl is undoubtedly important for recruiting.

Didn't Georgia, one of the Big 3 in the SECE, not leave the South for decades before last season?

In the end, you schedule appropriately for your level of program success. Reasonable UK FB fans (I'm not talking about the bandwagon BB fans who jumped on during recent years) realize that it takes time to build a football program.
 
#59
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droski said:
he didnt' start winning until uncle phil gave the program hundreds of millions. the 10 years before that under brooks oregon was garbage. and it's also no coincidence that the year he went to the rose bowl the pac-10 was complete and utter garbage. probably the worst year in pac-10 history. "my boys" took a 1-10 program to 6 straight bowls with a 5-1 record. something saint brooks couldn't even dream of even though he schedules mcnese state and the 3 other garbage teams per year. merle making a bowl game with that schedule even at kentucky is no accomplishment.
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It is when you consider that Miami of Ohio used to be a toss up game for the Cats. I'm no Rich apologist but his teams are the most consistent that I've seen in my eighteen years in Lex. He is not a HOF coach, but he is a perfect fit for an "also ran" in a good conference.
 
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Brian McCat said:
Admittedly, other than Louisville every year, UK does not play a strong OOC schedule as of late, but again, as I said before, that is by design. You schedule weak ooc when you're trying to build a program. If Vandy or Ark. are stupid enough to burn a potential win on playing USC or Michigan, that's their problem. There is no glory in getting waxed by 50 points on the road to a "big name". It all comes down to- would you prefer your payday in September or in December. Kentucky has chosen to bag a few easy wins in Sept. and go bowling rather than take a payoff (read: take a dive) from a big name.

That being said, in a few years, if UK is able to go 5-3 or 6-2 consistenly in the SEC, then I think it's time to beef up the schedule. Playing in a bowl is undoubtedly important for recruiting.

Didn't Georgia, one of the Big 3 in the SECE, not leave the South for decades before last season?

In the end, you schedule appropriately for your level of program success. Reasonable UK FB fans (I'm not talking about the bandwagon BB fans who jumped on during recent years) realize that it takes time to build a football program.
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why would you get waxed? you have a great coach and you are in the SEC!!!! clearly these teams would be no challenge at all! edit: and no one is asking you to schedule USC. How about stanford? or northwestern? someone half decent please.
 
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#61
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No need to keep repeating myself to you Droski. You're not listening anyway. BTTT.
 
#62
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Brian McCat said:
Umm...you can only apply 1 D 1-AA win (actually they're not called that anymore) every other year that can count toward a bowl total.

Got news for you: just about every team does that. The SEC is brutal enough that you don't have to schedule strong OOC to prove your manhood. It's not Kentucky's fault that Louisville sucked last year. They play every year, and 3 years ago the Cards were in a BCS bowl.

Got more news for you: When your team is coming off probation, you schedule light OOC to BUILD your program. IIRC, Kiffin opens the season against Western Kentucky this year. Some powerhouse! That schedule that you were just dissing about Kentucky in 2008? WKU was also on it.

Of course, Tennessee had a hard time eating its cupcakes last year. But that's a different thread altogether.
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Give me a break. Kentucky plays the weakest OOC schedule in the conference, and you and I both know it. Yes, WKU is on our schedule this year, and it will be our first game against an FCS opponent. I would venture that most decent football prospects don't look at your win total as a reason to go to UK; they look at your 63-5 loss at Florida as reason not to. However, I will give props to Joker Phillips; I think he will be a much better head coach than Brooks.
 
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kiffinator13 said:
Give me a break. Kentucky plays the weakest OOC schedule in the conference, and you and I both know it. Yes, WKU is on our schedule this year, and it will be our first game against an FCS opponent. I would venture that most decent football prospects don't look at your win total as a reason to go to UK; they look at your 63-5 loss at Florida as reason not to. However, I will give props to Joker Phillips; I think he will be a much better head coach than Brooks.
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Western Kentucky is in D-I now. They're a member of the Sun Belt.
 
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#66
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kiffinator13 said:
My mistake on WKU. But if you are using the fact that they recently turned D-I to somehow defend your schedule, it still isn't working.

Edit: And just for the record, WKU was not in D-I last year when you played them. This year will be their first year.

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If'n you wanna split hairs, WKU in 2007 and 2008 had provisional D1 status, which is something in between- any wins against them during that time aren't counted as a D-1AA win. In 2009 their provisional status expires and they can compete in Sun Belt and be eligible potentially for a bowl.
 
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Brian McCat said:
If'n you wanna split hairs, WKU in 2007 and 2008 had provisional D1 status, which is something in between- any wins against them during that time aren't counted as a D-1AA win. In 2009 their provisional status expires and they can compete in Sun Belt and be eligible potentially for a bowl.
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I will back you on this one. They were FBS last year.
 
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An argument on a Vol board between a California and Kentucky fan about Rich Brooks in a thread about a high school basketball player... awesome.
 
#71
#71
kiffinator13 said:
I know the rumor is going around that Cousins may not qualify academically. Have you heard anything on that?
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as of now, I have heard it only as a rumor as well. Its possible that what qualified for Memphis does not qualify at UK. But I have nothing on it thats substantial.
 
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tidwell said:
An argument on a Vol board between a California and Kentucky fan about Rich Brooks in a thread about a high school basketball player... awesome.
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Exactly. This is one of the most frustrating things about this place. Just start a new thread guys.
 
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