Critical race theory and elections

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NCFisher said:
Right?
It's actually rational as hell, though, from their standpoint; objective logic is their kryptonite. Like free speech, it must be destroyed so that society can be redrawn. Establish the things you wish to destroy as characteristics of whiteness, supremacy, and hetero/nuclear family norms, focus your leftist base and open fire. Doesn't matter what banal corruption is spewed, so long as this country is torched.
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And yet, as a country that is a mosaic of multiple races, religions, creeds, and cultures, we have a shrinking white population that is increasingly trying to shout down any diversity thought or speech that does not acquiesce to white hetero quasi-Christian norms. One could say that the vim and vitriol here is in the same realm as liberal speech: shout down, shut down, mock, deride, harass, and harangue until opposition has no energy to go on and the status quo remains.

Two sides of the same coin.
 
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AshG said:
And yet, as a country that is a mosaic of multiple races, religions, creeds, and cultures, we have a shrinking white population that is increasingly trying to shout down any diversity thought or speech that does not acquiesce to white hetero quasi-Christian norms. One could say that the vim and vitriol here is in the same realm as liberal speech: shout down, shut down, mock, deride, harass, and harangue until opposition has no energy to go on and the status quo remains.

Two sides of the same coin.
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Nonsense.
 
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allvol123 said:
No it isn’t. CRT is garbage and deserves to be criticized. White hetero quasi Christians are actually very accepting, in case you haven’t noticed the melting pot in which you live.
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All ways of looking at history are worthy of criticism. Critical PanHistory Theory, maybe? I'm not sure, but I've definitely had too much sugar.

And yes, I do tend to land in very accepting, loving areas. Sometimes where I'm the majority, sometimes where I'm the minority.

The world is kinder than we give it credit for
 
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AshG said:
All ways of looking at history are worthy of criticism. Critical PanHistory Theory, maybe? I'm not sure, but I've definitely had too much sugar.

And yes, I do tend to land in very accepting, loving areas. Sometimes where I'm the majority, sometimes where I'm the minority.

The world is kinder than we give it credit for
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Except for the increasingly belligerent whitey, right?
 
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VolStrom said:
Post 676. If you meant differently, you have a poor way of saying it.
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Yeah, I'll take the poor way of saying it.

Maybe this is better? There are a small amount of people who are having trouble with growing diversity and the change it brings. They feel that viewing history through any lens other than the one they are comfortable with will ultimately result in their loss of authority and influence.

They actually have very good reasons to be distrustful of the way this new lens is being presented and to whom, but are unable to coalesce in a meaningful way around the problematic bits because of the noise of protest from those who don't want any reexamination at all.
 
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AshG said:
All ways of looking at history are worthy of criticism. Critical PanHistory Theory, maybe? I'm not sure, but I've definitely had too much sugar.

And yes, I do tend to land in very accepting, loving areas. Sometimes where I'm the majority, sometimes where I'm the minority.

The world is kinder than we give it credit for
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I'm sorry, but I think you are all wrong on the word choice. The world (at least our part of it) is far more gullible than we would wish to believe. Those who don't accept the nonsense are labeled hypocrites.

The other problem with the course others push and you often accept it that there is a distinct difference between change brought by pressure and evolutionary change. Evolutionary change is one of moving toward a different norm; it takes longer because it incorporates the concept of acceptance. The "change" we are seeing now is forced; it does not include the element of adaptation through acceptance. Ask yourself, "What gives any subset of the population the right to force change on the population as a whole?" Change and specifically forced change means giving up one thing to accept another - something that cannot happen in free society without acceptance. You can sell me a concept, but to coerce me to accept a concept requires force.
 
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AshG said:
Yeah, I'll take the poor way of saying it.

Maybe this is better? There are a small amount of people who are having trouble with growing diversity and the change it brings. They feel that viewing history through any lens other than the one they are comfortable with will ultimately result in their loss of authority and influence.

They actually have very good reasons to be distrustful of the way this new lens is being presented and to whom, but are unable to coalesce in a meaningful way around the problematic bits because of the noise of protest from those who don't want any reexamination at all.
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Perhaps because we are not actually that small a group; and, although denounced by the "party of science", we actually do follow science rather than emotion?
 
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AM64 said:
Perhaps because we are not actually that small a group; and, although denounced by the "party of science", we actually do follow science rather than emotion?
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There's plenty of science and plenty of emotion across the political spectrum. It is the selection criteria for what is acknowledged that is the dividing factor.
 
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AshG said:
There's plenty of science and plenty of emotion across the political spectrum. It is the selection criteria for what is acknowledged that is the dividing factor.
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I'm from the engineering world - the part that deals in fact or at least quantifiable theory rather than abstract theory. When I look at nonsense like CRT, the non biological diversities, most of climatology, and most of the dem platform requiring astronomical sums, I see no science at all - just unquantifiable, emotional, drivel. The "selection criteria" for division.

You surprise me in many ways because when I hear you speak about teaching and influencing your students, I do see a real role model. I can't equate that with your acceptance of most of the social nonsense that's going on - they just don't fit. You actually make me think of one of my favorite teachers growing up - even to the leg - he lost his in WW2, so we both realize there's a big generational gap and potentially the values that go with it. I think you and he would compare very favorably on discipline and the desire to make students better. Somehow I simply cannot fit your social/political values into that framework - just doesn't work for me.
 
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AM64 said:
I'm from the engineering world - the part that deals in fact or at least quantifiable theory rather than abstract theory. When I look at nonsense like CRT, the non biological diversities, most of climatology, and most of the dem platform requiring astronomical sums, I see no science at all - just unquantifiable, emotional, drivel. The "selection criteria" for division.

You surprise me in many ways because when I hear you speak about teaching and influencing your students, I do see a real role model. I can't equate that with your acceptance of most of the social nonsense that's going on - they just don't fit. You actually make me think of one of my favorite teachers growing up - even to the leg - he lost his in WW2, so we both realize there's a big generational gap and potentially the values that go with it. I think you and he would compare very favorably on discipline and the desire to make students better. Somehow I simply cannot fit your social/political values into that framework - just doesn't work for me.
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Thank you for your frankness. I know I don't completely make sense; what's in my head rarely comes out right.

I'm not a fan of CRT. I do not want it in the schools. But the deep dive into US non-war history I did while deciding my stance made me realize there's a lot we're just not talking about. Some .gov on the left don't understand that their attempts to help people trapped in poverty cycles just sucks them even deeper. Some .gov on the right just want to cut off the aid and let people figure out how to survive on their own, cold turkey. I don't get the feeling that much of anyone on either side (.gov specifically) wants to do serious study on how those people got there and what's keeping them there.

Part of it comes from my aversion to secret-keeping and the loathing I have for my family's practice of sweeping things under the rug then screaming bloody murder if anyone tries to see what that lump is. I'm intrigued more by the "don't you dare revisit that history" than I am the CRT.

As for the psychobiological issues: people need love in their lives. I have had too many friends and students end up alone or dead because they were open with their sexual orientation and it resulted in people cutting off the love they needed to survive. The science is still in its infancy in understanding who is born different vs who is responding to trauma vs a combination of the two, but regardless of those topics every person needs to feel that someone loves them for who they are. And as someone who grew up being taunted and bullied for being tall, fat, half deaf, wearing glasses, etc, now that I'm in a position to protect the targeted I tend to do so. I don't want them to feel like I did, worthless and alone.

I'll fill in more later. Thank you for positively engaging me. I always appreciate your posts.
 
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AshG said:
Thank you for your frankness. I know I don't completely make sense; what's in my head rarely comes out right.

I'm not a fan of CRT. I do not want it in the schools. But the deep dive into US non-war history I did while deciding my stance made me realize there's a lot we're just not talking about. Some .gov on the left don't understand that their attempts to help people trapped in poverty cycles just sucks them even deeper. Some .gov on the right just want to cut off the aid and let people figure out how to survive on their own, cold turkey. I don't get the feeling that much of anyone on either side (.gov specifically) wants to do serious study on how those people got there and what's keeping them there.

Part of it comes from my aversion to secret-keeping and the loathing I have for my family's practice of sweeping things under the rug then screaming bloody murder if anyone tries to see what that lump is. I'm intrigued more by the "don't you dare revisit that history" than I am the CRT.

As for the psychobiological issues: people need love in their lives. I have had too many friends and students end up alone or dead because they were open with their sexual orientation and it resulted in people cutting off the love they needed to survive. The science is still in its infancy in understanding who is born different vs who is responding to trauma vs a combination of the two, but regardless of those topics every person needs to feel that someone loves them for who they are. And as someone who grew up being taunted and bullied for being tall, fat, half deaf, wearing glasses, etc, now that I'm in a position to protect the targeted I tend to do so. I don't want them to feel like I did, worthless and alone.

I'll fill in more later. Thank you for positively engaging me. I always appreciate your posts.
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I get all that, and I can't say you are wrong in the analysis or that often people need help in one way or another or that compassion and understanding are wrong. But some of this stuff is just nuts and reeks of the abnormal people trying to convince everyone else they are the warped ones. So much of this is literally the inmates attempting to run the asylum ... now that asylums have apparently been declared verboten. Bullying shouldn't exist or be tolerated - I was still maybe up to 130 lbs, 6'1" and very nearsighted when I got out of the Army at age 25 (you can imagine the school years), so I heard plenty of it too, but maybe I just have thicker skin.

There is a difference between supporting someone and convincing that person they are "normal" when it's just not so. At some point you simply have to accept who you are and that may very possibly mean you aren't who you want to be. You know, for example, that your vision takes you (and me) out of contention for any number of things, and to pretend it wasn't so still won't open those doors. All men are not created equal; it's just that simple.
 
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AshG said:
And yet, as a country that is a mosaic of multiple races, religions, creeds, and cultures, we have a shrinking white population that is increasingly trying to shout down any diversity thought or speech that does not acquiesce to white hetero quasi-Christian norms. One could say that the vim and vitriol here is in the same realm as liberal speech: shout down, shut down, mock, deride, harass, and harangue until opposition has no energy to go on and the status quo remains.

Two sides of the same coin.
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Are you stating that you agree with the '15 Characteristics of White Supremacy Culture' as being indicative of something uniquely white, supremacist, or both? Because that's the context of the comment(s) you're replying to, in a CRT-specific topic.
 
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Wow....the radical mindset of some people.

‘We Need to Eliminate these People:’ University Professor Praises High Rate of Black Abortions

in a conference titled “Exposing the Lies of Critical Race Theory” last month, adding that "blackness distorts national views, discounts opportunity equality, lowers positive societal indexes, and blacks are dedicated to being thugs and oppressed victims simultaneously."

"Their birth rates are declining because they cannot, even with decades of substantial subsidy, lift their children out of generational poverty. Even as other minorities, including black immigrants, do so often in a single generation. The intraracial and interracial level of violence and group dysfunction far exceeds that of any other racial/ethnic group."

"It seems they assume there is no other way to live except as Democrat party vassals either ignoring or ignorant of the gains made until the 1960s expansion of the welfare state which displaced the black father from homes, thus destroying the black family. An astonishing development that neither slavery or discrimination prior had accomplished. Indeed, as systemic state-sponsored segregation ended and discrimination ebbed to its lowest point, the familial disintegration continues today."

"In a way, they deserve being a reductive population" he wryly smiled; "at least the bulk of Hispanic/Latino (who now outnumber them), and Asian Americans seek to improve their lot in life".

Racist Professor STILL Employed at University
 
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Saw a good interview the other day about a parent in Va who complained to the school board cause her child was taught about Christopher Columbus killing native Americans.
 
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Sin City Vol said:
Saw a good interview the other day about a parent in Va who complained to the school board cause her child was taught about Christopher Columbus killing native Americans.
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Oklahoma school board deals with complaint about curriculum:

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I wonder how many people who threw rocks at Ruby Bridges are among those who don't want students to learn that rocks were thrown at Ruby Bridges.
 
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